| Author | Message | ||
     Snail |
They're really not sponsers, they'e advertisers. They should have no more 'authority' than someone in the classifided sect. of the newpaper. They are buying exposure, not control. Members should be allowed to discuss any motorcycle product without predjudice. | ||
| Mikej |
Counterpoint, Sometimes it's a fine line between discussion and promotion. But I agree for the most part. Case in point: If someone asks Daves for a price on something and Daves replies, someone should not jump in and tell the seeker that the part can be had cheaper at DiscountEbayHarley of Poukeepsee. But in a tire thread or general quick board thread if someone finds a clearance sale on Metzler tires at a dealership dumping their Buell line then by all means post the link, phone number, address, and directions. | ||
| Blake |
Paul, Sponsors do indeed advertise on BadWeB. Synonymous semantics, no? I agree with your comments including the clarifications offered by Mike. That is the existing policy on BadWeB. I'd further clarify that my analogy on the issue also remains 100% valid in my view. Paul, except for one former sponsor who withdrew over dissatisfaction concerning just such an issue where he didn't like what some folks had to say and sought to have his own view rule the day on BadWeB, even to the point of asking that his competitors/enemies be denied the privilege of sponsorship here, all our sponsors have admirably avoided trying to unduly influence the content of the board. Interestingly the aforementioned former sponsor was provided unprecedented lattitude and access to custodial features of the board which he unfortunately saw fit to abuse in an attempt to rally support for his war against his own personal enemies and then later to disingenuously spy on private BadWeB custodial discussions. Some sponsors who are active participants here are huge assets and are a great help in maintaining the place. They give and ask nothing in return. They do appreciate our no-non-sponsor promoting/advertising policy though. Some people though do keep score and feel entitled to extra special treatment and influence over the content on the board. We don't want those kinds of folks as sponsors of BadWeB. So we are in firm agreement on that point.  The truth is that our sponsors don't have any influence here over anything other than their own personal topics in the "Sponsors" section. If they have a request, we evaluate it no differently than if they were not a sponsor. Like I've said before. Please be careful who you listen to. | ||
| Josh_ |
>someone finds a clearance sale on Metzler tires at a dealership dumping their Buell line then by all means post the link, phone number, address, and directions. posts/threads like that have been pulled by Blake for violating sponsor/advertising rules. (can't spell) (Message edited by josh_ on June 09, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
I don't recall that Josh. Might you have been thinking of some cases where folks posted for sale ads for motorcycles at dealerships. I don't think a post by a BadWeBr advising of a tire sale would cause me to blink an eye. I could be wrong. As discussed in other threads, there are also other factors that come into play, such as the history of the particular author of a post/thread. Recall for instance the guy trying to peddle his velocity stack and then later some other stuff. At first we let him offer up a few posts with links and his marketing tech info. When he continued promoting his wares here we asked him to please cease marketing his products on the site absent sponsorship. When he refused to honor our requests, we suspended him conditionally. Then banned him. Then banned him again, and again, and again, and again, and again. Then he tried to crack the board. So we asked his ISP to please put a stop to his malevolent behavior. He started up his own discussion board and uses it as a platform to deride me and BadWeB. He's also found a safe haven on another commercially motivated Buell board/site where he recently took to badmouthing Al Lighton of American Sport Bike there, an honorable man if there is one. | ||
| Josh_ |
I remember the velocity stack voodoo, but did not know he started a website. I posted a thread about Warr's clearance on McWilliams@Daytona TShirts ($4+ship). Only place in the world to get them, limited time only. I was told the thread was pulled as they are not a sponsor. | ||
| Blake |
You mean this one? | ||
| Blake |
I guess you may have read my closing post and assumed the thread would be killed. Not so. It was left to stand for all to see. There is also another post on the Links page about the very same shirt I think. | ||
| Blake |
Does that very thread provide a good example of the contrast between information versus promotion or what? Information... good! Promotion... causes me indigestion. | ||
| Brucelee |
This is funny. I own a forum and we just had a little ditty about this topic. Boy, some folks are pretty righteous about their "freedom of speech" especially when it is free to them, ie the INET. Hey, as I indicated on my forum, if you don't like the way it is, you are free to create your own forum or to stay home. Rock on Blake! | ||
| Pammy |
I would like to know what kind of control us sponsors supposed to be alloted. I for one seem to have been shorted on that front. I have had posts removed and been told to pipe down, my company lied about and maligned, etc...I haven't had any control of that what so ever. What is it exactly that I do have control of? Other than, like everyone else, where I spend my time and money. I demand to know which sponsor is controlling this board.   | ||
| Pammy |
I hear, on one hand, how Blake is an overbearing overlord that never listens to reason then, on the other hand, there are complaints that claim he is a puppet and easily lead by some unknown sponsor(s.) How he caters so much to the sponsors that he would, in effect, run off Badwebs loyal followers despite the fact that the sponsors want the loyal followers to stay...Which is it? So I say, Blake is who he is...you like him or you don't, simple as that. I have disagreed with Blake. Blake has disagreed with me. I am sure it will happen again(and again). Does it make me wanna pick up my marbles and go home? Not hardly. | ||
| Rocketman |
And Pammy, unlike some who have taken their marbles home, you don't have - and as far as I'm aware - never have had the need to prove anything. Especially in the Buell world. Keep on rockin. Rocket | ||
| Snail |
People, please! Are you infants? Stick to the topic and limit yourself to two short posts. Blake, your attack is out of line. The rest of you clean it up, I don't have time to read your drivel. Any member that DOESN'T advise another member of a good buy is remiss of their obligation to his fellow rider. I agree that repeated 'free' use of Badweb by a commerical enterprize shouldn't be allowed, but members should be encouraged to compare and discuss products based on merit rather than advertizer afilliation. Power to the people. | ||
| Brucelee |
"Any member that DOESN'T advise another member of a good buy is remiss of their obligation to his fellow rider." Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!! Where did we take this oath of obligation to our fellow riders?????????? Thanks, I needed a laugh after reading this thread again. | ||
| Blake |
"I agree that repeated 'free' use of Badweb by a commerical enterprize shouldn't be allowed, but members should be encouraged to compare and discuss products based on merit rather than advertizer afilliation." They are. You seem to have completely misunderstood the policy concerning such issues here at BadWeB. You may be paying excessive heed to the statements of folks who are similarly mistaken. I say again, please be careful who you listen to. I gave you an example of how I learned a very painful lesson wrt giving a sponsor special treatment. Neither I nor BadWeB will act as an unwitting shill for any sponsor ever again. I'll never relinquish to any sponsor my right to thoughtfully speak my own mind concerning any issue involving any product or service issues, whether said sponsor agrees with me or not. And I certainly won't ever again deny sponsorship to a reputable competitor based upon the personal vendetta of a BadWeB sponsor. I did that for a year and was horribly wrong to do so. It is wrong for any sponsor to expect that kind of special treatment. Period. Is that not directly in agreement with your view of what BadWeB policy wrt sponsors should be and in fact actually is? | ||
| Snail |
Blake, your post dated 6/09/06 is inflammatory and petty, and the post exceeds the 'short' criteria I requested. You are the one who mistakes my position. I was merely identifying issues, briefly stating my personal opinion, and soliciting the BRIEF opinions of other members. Instead, typicaly, it has deteriorated into the standard quagmire of drivel, innuendos, and cheap shots. I don't have the time to deal with the extra burden of trying to sift through and respond to all the attached discussion. I was trying to do a survey, not a long winded discussion group. I'd much rather spend my time looking at the nice pics Reg took of our recent trip. | ||
| Blake |
Might have posted a survey question then. I didn't see one, just an opinion opening a discussion. Maintaining a web site with certain core principles is a burden. You got that right. The policy you advise is appropriate is exactly the policy of the board. So there is no disagreement. What "survey."? |
