| Author | Message | ||
     Tpoppa |
The price for the Paton S1 road bike starts at €16000 and goes up to around €23000 depending on spec. I like it, but not that much. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Informative FB post from Mark Miller regarding today's practice session:
If he turned nearly 120 MPH on an incorrectly setup EBR, maybe he'll surprise us all if they get the setup figured out. | ||
| Skntpig |
I will give my full first hand tt experience once I get back early next week. Much of this thread is guessing what the Splitlath-Redmond team is thinking. I had a unique opportunity to get the inside story. You guys know this is an open the crate change a handful of parts then race scenario right? The team doesn't have a huge number of events under their belt with this platform. The BMW is as close to a factory bike as they come and did they a great job with a highly developed machine. Results have proven rider experience is as much or more important than the machine. In BMWs case they had both. The win wasn't a huge surprise or underdog upset to anyone here. The S-R team is excited about many of the characteristics of the bike and are looking forward to the results once it is well sorted. I'm going to support the S-R EBR and wish them the best today. PS. The Kool-Aid looks like Guinness over here. You should try a pint. | ||
| Ezblast |
lol - Go EBR! EZ | ||
| Trojan |
I believe this is a Paton 500 four stroke twin - their own handbuilt engine of which only a handful were made. Matt will know more.... The one in the picture is a replica raced by Ollie Linsdell in Classic races. Paton have been making only race motorcycles since 1958, and built GP bikes right up to the end of the two stroke era (including some exotic V4 500's). Since then they have concentrated on replicas of their 1960 and 1970's 500 twins, and the S1 is their first ever road bike. The price of €16000+ seems very expensive untuil you add up just the cost of parts involved, which they reckon to be around €11000 alone (before you add labour costs etc). Very exotic and not likely to see one around, but definitely on my 'lottery winnings' list  Going back to the EBR at the TT..... Long story short our Ohlins guy here at the TT has since spoke with the Ohlins tech in World Superbike who gave him more insight into what basic geometry seems to work best in their experience and it's different from ours, fundamentally. I am NOT criticising EBR here, but a huge dig at the team manager! Surely the team must have known that the TT course presents totally different suspension demands than either Macau or WSB? Why do they think Honda and BMW build bikes specifically for the TT that are very different to the Superbikes raced WSB? This is supposed to be a professional race team? Sorry but that just beggars belief and if they turned up there with bikes straight out of the crate since Macau than I feel very sorry for the riders that have to risk their lives on a machine that isn't set up for the demands of the Isle of Man  | ||
| Trojan |
Ollie Linsdell finished 6th in the lightweight race on the Paton S1 Cool | ||
| Hughlysses |
Splitlath-Redmond posted a couple of good videos to Facebook this morning- one showing the riders starting out on their practice laps yesterday. Whatever else you can say about the 1190's they are damned sure the best SOUNDING bikes in the field. The other video showed a practice pitstop in the paddock, complete with engine sound effects provided by the rider. Pretty funny. | ||
| Trojan |
PokerStars Senior TT - Result Sheet Pos No. Rider Machine/Entrant Time Speed Subclass Replica 1 6 Michael Dunlop BMW / BMW/Hawk Racing 01:45:33.291 128.680 Silver 2 10 Conor Cummins Honda / Honda Racing 01:45:47.291 128.396 Silver 3 4 Guy Martin Suzuki / Tyco Suzuki 01:45:56.962 128.201 Silver 4 5 Bruce Anstey Honda / Valvoline Racing by Padgetts Moto 01:46:20.814 127.722 Silver 5 2 James Hillier Kawasaki / Quattro Plant Muc-Off Kawasaki 01:46:22.262 127.693 Silver 6 1 John McGuinness Honda / Honda Racing 01:46:38.179 127.375 Silver 7 14 Joshua Brookes Yamaha / Milwaukee Yamaha 01:46:43.877 127.262 Silver 8 17 Dan Kneen Suzuki / Cookstown B.E.Racing 01:47:28.519 126.381 Silver 9 9 Michael Rutter BMW / Bathams Prize Winning Ales 01:47:34.561 126.262 Silver 10 16 David Johnson Kawasaki / Lloyd and Jones PR Kawasaki 01:48:11.127 125.551 Silver 11 60 Peter Hickman* BMW / Ice Valley by Motorsave Trade 01:48:19.976 125.380 Silver 12 11 Dan Stewart Honda / SMT / WILCOCK Racing 01:48:33.673 125.117 Silver 13 3 Ian Hutchinson Yamaha / Milwaukee Yamaha 01:50:04.848 123.389 Silver 14 27 Daniel Cooper Kawasaki / Tsingtao WK HMQ 01:50:59.232 122.382 Bronze 15 25 Ian Mackman Suzuki / InFront Motorcycles 01:51:13.305 122.124 Bronze 16 37 Ivan Lintin Honda / Taylor Lindsey Racing 01:51:35.170 121.725 Bronze 17 29 Ian Pattinson BMW / Weardale Racing Ltd 01:52:03.330 121.215 Bronze 18 58 Michael Sweeney Kawasaki / MJR Racing 01:52:09.877 121.097 Bronze 19 48 Russ Mountford Kawasaki / Silicone Engineering Racing 01:52:17.491 120.960 Bronze 20 23 Stefano Bonetti Kawasaki / Speed Motor 01:52:22.725 120.866 Bronze 21 33 Robert Barber BMW / BLOCK SOLUTIONS 01:52:33.511 120.673 Bronze 22 24 Davy Morgan Honda / STRANGFORD CARAVAN PARK 01:52:55.005 120.290 Bronze 23 49 Roger Maher Honda / PC Engineering 01:53:37.053 119.548 Bronze 24 20 Ben Wylie BMW / Carrozzeria Allemano 01:53:43.826 119.430 Bronze 25 38 Gary Carswell Honda 01:53:59.798 119.151 Bronze 26 44 Paul Owen Honda / Team #98 01:54:03.489 119.087 Bronze 27 34 Paul Shoesmith BMW / Ice Valley by Motorsave Trade 01:54:07.327 119.020 Bronze 28 82 Christopher Dixon Honda / Dave Milling Motorcycles Ltd 01:54:22.607 118.755 Bronze 29 62 Wayne Kirwan Honda / Crossan Motorcycles 01:54:39.566 118.462 Bronze 30 66 Daniel Webb* Kawasaki / KMR Kawasaki/SGS Internation 01:54:53.538 118.222 Bronze 31 92 Vick De Cooremeter* BMW / Okidokiracing.be 01:54:55.164 118.194 Bronze 32 61 Fabrice Miguet Kawasaki / French Road Racers 01:54:59.128 118.126 Bronze 33 42 Daniel Hegarty Kawasaki / RTR/Woodcock of Nottingham 01:55:06.922 117.993 Bronze 34 69 Eric Wilson Kawasaki / Obsession Engineering 01:55:08.727 117.962 Bronze 35 46 Kiaran Hankin Honda / Khhire 01:55:16.692 117.826 Bronze 36 86 Allann Venter Honda / Top Gun Racing 01:55:21.591 117.743 Bronze 37 63 David Hewson Aprilia / Obsession Engineering 01:55:32.453 117.558 Bronze 38 51 Jonathan Howarth Kawasaki / Sheff Pack Kawasaki 01:56:04.897 117.011 Bronze 39 70 David Madsen-Mygdal Honda / Gimbert Racing 01:57:01.982 116.060 40 78 Bill Callister Honda / RN RM Motorsport 01:57:24.382 115.690 41 64 Sandor Bitter BMW / Ice Valley by Motorsave Trade 01:57:31.234 115.578 42 79 Brandon Cretu EBR / Splitlath Motorsport 01:58:07.576 114.985 Well at least one of them finished one race this week, even if it was 15 minutes behind the leaders. Well done Brandon Cretu. | ||
| M2typhoon |
While Mark was on the track, he posted an average speed of 122, no bad! Actually, that's damn good!! (Message edited by m2typhoon on June 06, 2014) | ||
| Ezblast |
What happened to mark? EZ | ||
| Hughlysses |
I still haven't seen anything about Mark in yesterday's race. FB post by Splitlath-Redmond posted this morning:
(Message edited by Hughlysses on June 07, 2014) | ||
| Trojan |
Establishing it's place in recent motorsport history by being the first new manufacturer to complete this gruelling race event on it's debut visit, astounding the established manufacturers around the famous mountain course. Astounding? I think not (unless they were astounded that it finished one race at all!). How many manufacturers do you think would be astounded by three DNFs and one 42nd place completed at a slower speed than the Lightweight winner on a Kawasaki ER6? BMW were also at their debut since 1939 and they won 3 races. Paton were at their debut for a road bike and they finished 6th in the Lightweight race. CF Moto (Chinese) finished their first TT last year as a new manufacturer. Voxan competed at the IOM for 2 years when they were a new company some years ago. Yes it is great that Brandon managed to finish the Senior race, but please stop all this PR rubbish nonsense! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Yes it is great that Brandon managed to finish the Senior race, but please stop all this PR rubbish nonsense! Now Matt- you really don't expect them to come out with a press release that says "Man, we really sucked at IOM TT, but we did manage to get one bike to finish one race." do you?  | ||
| Reepicheep |
How were the press releases from all the teams that failed to enter the race worded?
(Message edited by reepicheep on June 07, 2014) | ||
| Court |
My thoughts precisely. Thousands of folks here . . . . tons of "above average enthusiasm" folks . . . I'm waiting for one to pick up the gauntlet and show how it's done . . . hell, even enter a low budget AMA race. Talk. | ||
| Trojan |
You miss the point by a mile once again. Nobody will criticise a manufacturer who didn't race. Have you seen any criticism of KTM for not racing in the TT or WSB? However, If you put your head above the parapet and enter a 'race' then you had better be prepared to be shot at when you fail, simple. If you don't like that then maybe racing is a bit too rough for you and knitting may be more suited. The Splitlath team entered the race at the last possible minute, went to the Isle of Man with almost no preparation, and failed to perform, what do they expect? Other manufacturers spend months and thousands of man hours building bikes specifically for the TT. You don't just turn up, unpack the bikes you last raced 6 months ago at macau and expect to do well. Jusdging from the comments postred re: the Ohlins techs comments it appears that they had little idea of what was expected or how to set the bikes up for TT racing either. where we plan to not enter any races we don't think we can easily win, I cannot think of a single manufacturer who would enter a factory team in a series or race they didn't think they had a chance of at least doing well and representing their brand in a positive light, even if they don't win. Finishing last (if they finish at all) is not in any companies interests and certainly doesn't get sponsors smiling. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If your goal in life is to avoid criticism, I am sad for you. It's going to be a remarkably dull life. | ||
| Classax |
In order to receive praise one must risk criticism, to achieve success one must risk failure. No man ever won fame nor fortune by languishing in obscurity. History belongs to those rare few willing to bet on themselves before the public was willing to embrace the same chance. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I believe part of the problem is the American's just don't understand the significance of the TT in British and European biking culture. You can come visit, and spend the fortnight taking it all in, but you still wouldn't feel the 50 other weeks of the year where the TT is relevant. Rocket in England | ||
| Buellmojo |
Please do not group all "American's" in one group, I for one, see through my own eyes. Yes we may not quite understand the significance of the TT in British and European terms, but some of us still recognize, and acknowledge, that facts, are just that, facts! By the way, to all of you living through Erik Buell and Staffs accomplishments (which is ridiculous, and should be embarrassing at the least)...Where is your entry? Supporting a favorite is one thing, but WOW! | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I was merely stating it in the same sense you might say the British don't understand the significance of Bike Week in American biking culture was all. I apologise if you thought I meant to insult. Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
In order to receive praise one must risk criticism, to achieve success one must risk failure. No man ever won fame nor fortune by languishing in obscurity. History belongs to those rare few willing to bet on themselves before the public was willing to embrace the same chance. In order to receive praise and achieve success in racing you need to WIN. 3 little letters that make all the difference between praise and derision. History belongs to the rare few who bet on themselves and happen to have a WINNING product. History is littered with 'brave failures' in all kinds of racing. You never hear about most of them because history is written by the winners. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Here's what Brandon Cretu had to say about his effort on FB yesterday:
I'd think when he speaks to "reliable" above he meant they didn't have any catastrophic failures, because they certainly had plenty of minor issues. However, they do seem to have proved the durability of the engines on the circuit which is something. I haven't seen anything about what happened to Miller on Friday. | ||
| Trojan |
My teammate Mark Miller and I proved the bikes are a very competitive and reliable package here at the TT. ....GRRRRRR. count to ten.... The bikes were NOT competitive nor were they Reliable!!!!!! Was he living in some surreal universe for the whole time where the other competitors didn't exist and 118mph is still considered a 'good' lap on a Superbike? Out of six possible starts ( 3 each bike- Superbike,Superstock,Senior) the team achieved 5 DNF's/DNS's and one 42nd place finish, so please tell me how that is reliable or competitive! I can only assume his previous TT experience was a worse nightmare than this!Or maybe it was his best TT because he spent more time watching with a pint of Ockells in his hand than riding? | ||
| M2typhoon |
I think Trojan is French for "stick in the mud".  | ||
| Trojan |
Stick in the Mud- 'Someone who prefers to allow things of seeming enjoyment pass them by ' Stick in the mud? If the 'seeming ejoyment is EBR finishing 42nd with 5 dnf's at best then guilty as charged! I'll wait for the decent results before throwing my hat in the air thanks. I would love to congratulate EBR on ANY decent results, but so far the results have all been abyssmal, including the TT. Saying that your bike is 'reliable and competitive' when it clearly is neither just makes me annoyed! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Matt- I get what you're saying but I can understand Brandon's enthusiasm too. Obviously he doesn't have much experience at the TT so regardless of what bike he's riding it's not reasonable to expect him to be bumping elbows with Michael Dunlop and just finishing the race is a laudable achievement. Despite having significant difficulty setting up the suspension to his satisfaction, Miller was achieving reasonably competitive speeds (within ~5 MPH of the front runners?) while he was running. While the team had plenty of niggling problems they apparently didn't suffer any major failures and blow any engines and spew shrapnel and oil all over the track. I can certainly see how a rider would be enthusiastic about the potential of the effort after their showing. A long conversation with the Ohlins techs, a checklist on clutch installation, taking care to protect wire bundles and use high strength Locktite in a few locations and they could be in the hunt next year. (Message edited by Hughlysses on June 09, 2014) | ||
| M2typhoon |
Damn...I was hoping to get a rise out of the French thing.. I work with some Britts here in the states doing defence contractor work. Not fond of the French persuasion. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
" Mark Miller and I proved the bikes are a very competitive and reliable package here at the TT." L O L competitive? you finished last. reliable? You finished one race out of six. give me a freaking break. this was a factory team and youre happy about those results? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Video from Mark Miller's EBR. Pretty cool: |
