| Author | Message | ||
     Xb1125r |
Pegram is going to be on Yamaha. sucks for BMW and Ducati. no one to represent them. | ||
| Trojan |
I'm a little interested in the details of Pegrams R1. Will it have a electronics package?? Most of the race parts for the R1 are 'supposed' to be available to buy from Yamaha by private and semi private teams, so in theory there is no reason why Pegram's bike shouldn't be a similar spec to the Hayes/Herrin machines. In practice of course that won't happen, and his bike will always be slightly lower spec than the 'official' entries. It doesn't really suck for BMW and Ducati, but for the series if they are not represented. As 2 of the major superbike manufacturers you can't really have a credible superbike championship without them (not to mention Aprilia & Honda). | ||
| Bads1 |
Matt, I'm quite sure Graves has something to do with the bikes magic. My question is will Larry's bike be that good. | ||
| Jaimec |
I thought I read that Honda had at least one bike on the grid this year? | ||
| Bads1 |
Jaime, The only Honda's will be Chris Ulrich on a 1000...of coarse Roadracing world sponsor. Quite sure HOnda is helpimg. Team Hammer and Gieco in DSB. | ||
| Jaimec |
Thanks, I knew I wasn't imagining things. Of course, when Honda pulled out of the series in a huff because AMA/DMG wouldn't do what they wanted I was hoping they'd STAY away. Looks like they are sheepishly dipping a toe back into the water... | ||
| Xb1125r |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=158664&post=2302555#POST2302555 Honda never left the AMA, look at one of them next to the EBR | ||
| Amafan |
The AMA Superbike grid looks like it is pretty much complete,15 fulltime riders plus privateers filling out the grid . 3 Yamaha R1's, Hayes, Herrin,and Pegram,and like the Clark Motor Sports Team had a few years ago,Pegrams team will race the same spec bikes as Hayes and Herrin. 2 KTM RC8R's, Fillmore and Knapp, and 1 Honda CBR1000RR, Ulrich,but Pietri might also race one too,but not sure,because his twitter and Facebook page is in Spanish. 5 Suzuki GSXR1000's, R.Hayden,Eslick, Cardenas,Clark,and Anthoney,and 4 EBR1190RS's,May,Yates,West,and Dominguez . | ||
| Bads1 |
Jaime, Senior VP Ray Blank of US Honda Motorcycles retired this past October. I'd imagine Robert Gurga,which was the Assistant VP of marketing and is now the senior VP of Honda Motorcycles has a different mind set. It was after all US honda that made the decision to pull out... not Japan. | ||
| Xb1125r |
US HONDA is Japan HONDA. where do you think the profits go at the end of the day,lol | ||
| Bads1 |
US HONDA is Japan HONDA. where do you think the profits go at the end of the day,lol Your so very wrong. I must tell Scott Russel and Greg White they are wrong when this question was asked at Road America last year in the pits. Sorry US Honda makes the decisions for the Market here. | ||
| Bads1 |
Heres a question.... Can Hayes win the championship in 2013 again??? Or is it likely that Herrin or Cardenas are likely.... maybe Eslick ?? | ||
| Dennis_c |
+1 on Xb1125r. where do you think the profits go at the end of the day,lol. Bads1 Honda would not build cars or MC in the USA if 100% money stayed in the US there would be nothing in it for them. | ||
| Trojan |
US HONDA is Japan HONDA You are kidding right? Just because it has Honda written on the tank doesn't make it anywhere near a factory spec Superbike. Yes the factory will make profit if you go and buy the bike from a showroom, but that is where their involvement ends as far as AMA racing goes. Even if Honda USA were to run a full team it still wouldn't necessarily be a factory team (look at the Corona team Neil Hodgson rode for as an example!). Just because somebody is racing a Honda as a privateer doesn't mean Honda are still in the series. Even in WSBK Honda don't have a factory team, and although they are now taking more interest and involvement in the Ten Kate operation than they have for a number of years it is still far from a 'works team'. If I were to buy a EBR1190 or MotoGuzzi and decide race it at BSB it doesn't mean that a factory is involved racing in BSB does it (although I'm pretty sure Erik would be if that were to happen!)? It just means someone has bought one of their bikes to race somewhere. The same is true of the Hondas you see in AMA racing or club racing. | ||
| Bads1 |
Since the 2004 season Honda built the race bikes in house. I can see where you'd think Japan has the control. When I asked Gregg White the question with Russel standing with him...." Is there any rumor of Honda return??? His reply was US honda makes the decision if they come back and they haven't had any discussion to do so. | ||
| Xb1125r |
Trojan you mist the part about where the profits go at the end of the day. can't be more clear or simple then that | ||
| Trojan |
It really doesn't matter where the profit goes. Some profit will go the dealer, some to Honda US and some to Japan. At the end of the day just because you buy a bike to race it doesn't mean you get any support from them to do so  The original point of this argument was that Honda (either US or Japan) do not officially take part in AMA racing, and they still don't, regardless of the fact that one or two teams may incidentally ride Honda bikes. | ||
| Xb1125r |
it does matter where the proffit goes. if you go by your argument, then let all riders just ride EBRs after all its American Superbike right. this way EBR sells more bikes, then they will be as big as HONDA and will be able to have a bike in MOTO GP, which will create opportunities for racers that race in AMA. | ||
| Trojan |
I'm pretty sure that the profit manufacturers make from selling race bikes is so isignificant that it really doesn't even figure in their calculations (especially as you can normally blag a decent discount if you buy a bike to race direct from the importer). Many race teams in lesser championships buy their bikes second hand and not brand new from dealers, so the manufacturer has already made all the profit he is going to from that bike. Companies profit more by having their name on the grid than in any financial terms. Once they get involved in supporting a project there is NO profit and ALL expense I can assure you  They have to hope that winning on Sunday sells bikes on Monday (a precept that is fast becoming an old wives tale). Honda would spend far more on a major AMA presence than they would make in profit from selling the race bikes to the team. If you want racers to move from AMA to MotoGP then either AMA has to make the series a LOT bigger and involve more manufacturers, or the riders will have to grab a ride in Europe to get noticed by the big teams. This is what PJ Jacobsen has done and it is working for him so far with a top ride in BSB. This will get him noticed far more by European based GP teams than even winning the AMA title these days. The sad fact is that the AMA Superbike title is not worth what it once was in terms of worldwide or even US prestige (witness the lack of TV coverage over there), and MotoP/WSB teams are looking elsewhere for their future stars right now. | ||
| Bads1 |
This is focus and that.... makes a winner. I think Cardenas has the same mind set. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JioizDTaGjE&feature =youtu.be | ||
| Crusty |
Just for the record, If the Daytona races are the only AMA races broadcast this year, there will still be better coverage of AMA races than either MotoGP or WSB on US TV. Motorcycle racing is not popular in this country. Hell, there is a bigger audience for stupid shows like NASCAR Drivers Poker Tournament, or Pinks (phony Drag Racing for vehicle titles), or "reality" shows about tow trucks. To give you some idea about what Speed thinks is important in their coverage of "Racing", there is a link on their site for "The Girls of Barret-Jackson". TV really has become a Wasteland. Everything we feared when Fox bought Speedvision has come to pass. | ||
| Bads1 |
John, I'm confident something will surface or the Daytona wouldn't even be on at all. I just think its down to the wire. Who's gonna call bluff kinda thing ?? | ||
| 46champ |
I think it is time several of the racing organizations got together and ran there own direct to the viewer video system. NHRA spends millions with ESPN and gets treated like dirt. Where do you even get Indy cars. Motorcycle racing on any kind of tube is a joke. I'm not sure they would have to do it just the threat of several series colluding to do it would shape things up. | ||
| Xb1125r |
AMA needs to learn from NFL and WWE. they are profitable, why becuase they give people an experience. something to talk to their friends. Simocelliu was great for MotoGP, his constant arguments with Pedrosa were awesome. Rossi and Stoner, Rossi and Lorenzo. we need characters in AMA. the AMA need to invest in this guys and make them stars. hackin as much as i hated him it was great, I always wnated to hear what excuse the cry baby would come up with next. AMA needs to get cameras at the corners, on the bikes. I want ot see how close Eslik gets to Herrin. MAKE IT EXITING! | ||
| Bads1 |
Still no word on who's televising AMA after the 200. I hope something pops quick. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Putting the races on a 1am certainly doesn't help get any viewers either. I have a Dvr or I wouldn't have been able to stay up to watch previous races. | ||
| Xb1125r |
is the AMA webpage correct, it shows speed showing the races! | ||
| Whitetrashxb |
i wish the AMA would announce where rounds 2 and 9 are being held | ||
| Firstbuell |
RE: 2 posts immediately above - yes, they accurately illustrate the current situation of AMA Pro road racing: no info inaccurate info less frequent contests fewer racers [pre-entry only] compromised sponsoring opportunities etc., etc...... | ||
| Riohondohank |
I would say at this point round two is a none starter. They need to take it off the schedule. Next race will be Road America. |
