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Xb1125r
Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have noticed
sportbike series riders are riding mostly Yamaha

and Superbike riders are riding Susuki

that is the reasoning
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suzuki for one was winning everything in Superbike. They were also paying out the most contingency after Honda pulled anchor. Now Suzuki is pulling in the reigns more and that may change a bit. I think yamaha is probably doing better financially right now sponsor wise for sure.
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Trojan
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 06:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bike racers are very conservative (with a small c) people, especially if they are spending their own money on racing.
What tends to happen is that if one bike starts winning then everyone decides that is the bike to own/race, and you suddenly start to see more of that brand on track.

It can of course be a flawed logic, as the winning bikes can be very different to the ones that the average privateer can get his hands on.

As Suzuki has dominated AMA Superbike for so long it isn't surprising to see so many GSXR1000's in that field. Likewise Yamaha have been pretty dominant in Supersport racing, so you see more of them.

If you look at Superstock numbers there are usually more BMW S1000's now in most series (not sure about AMA) because of their success in Europe.

Over here Suzuki haven't been anywhere near so dominant in Superbikes, so the field is pretty much spread across all the Japanese and European brands.
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's because in Europe, Suzuki couldn't get away with using special racing crankshafts like they did in the US.
The part that I liked was that when they got caught, they sent a stock crank to be evaluated, then claimed they were being unfairly discriminated against. They cheated and when they got caught, tried to blame the AMA for picking on them unfairly.
Suzuki showed that they have no sense of honor in this country. I won't buy any of their products. I can just imagine what would happen if a warranty issue came up.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Suzuki is a great platform for racing... perhaps to a fault. I understand why someone would want a GSXR-600 or GSXR-1000 for racing. I have on idea why someone would want one for the street...

Take a stock GSXR-600, and add about $50,000 worth of parts on it, and you have a pretty nice race bike!
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Trojan
Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you want a more meanigful view of what the actual sportsbikes that Superbikes are based on are really capable of, then watch Superstock racing instead of Superbikes. These are closer to stock than pretty much any other form of road racing.

You'll see that the Suzukis don't figure too much in Superstock, which is pretty much dominated by BMW and Ducati in Europe.

Take a stock GSXR-600, and add about $50,000 worth of parts on it, and you have a pretty nice race bike!

Unfortunately the same can be said of Yamaha and to a lesser extent Kawasaki. Have you added up the cost of Yamaha race parts (the ones you can actually buy!).
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