| Author | Message | ||
     Dutch_x1 |
R.I.P. Marco simoncelli | ||
| Smoke |
RIP Marco http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/Race+Direction+ press+conference+Simoncelli+Sepang very sad | ||
| Crusty |
R.I.P. Marco Simoncelli. | ||
| Blake |
Danny Pedrosa says it best:
All that said, I have no doubt that Marco would have liked to see the race still run to completion. | ||
| Davegess |
How very sad and terrible. RIP | ||
| Jaimec |
We saw him this year in Indy. He was being escorted in one of those golf carts and when every body noticed him, they all started to cheer and clap. From his expression, he seemed very surprised at the reaction and gave a shy wave and smile to everyone. I think I'll always remember that moment. RIP, Marco. | ||
| Svh |
First RIP Marco. You gave it your all most of the time and were always great fun to watch. Thoughts and prayers to his family and friends. Blake- Why would they continue the race? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Take one of the most dangerous sports in the world then add in great sorrow and grief and expect the riders to go out there and concentrate? No thank you. They all knew he was gone as he was gone before they got him into the ambulance. They made the right choice. | ||
| Blake |
No, they knew he was being tended to in the care center. Marco sure wouldn't have wanted the race cancelled. | ||
| Svh |
I am not sure why you feel so sure Marco wouldn't have wanted it canceled. Even if race control wouldn't have canceled it how many riders would have went out and run? 0 is my guess. The report I read he was in cardiac arrest when the medics got to him. Word travels fast in the paddock and I am certain they knew. Nasty crash that was very unfortunate. | ||
| Blake |
70,000 fans in attendance. Millions watching worldwide. I don't think one need know much to see that Marco loved, flat out loved racing. No way he'd have wanted the race cancelled. So why race the next event? Isle of Man?  In my view, they dishonored the man be canceling the race on account of him. | ||
| Trojan |
In my view, they dishonored the man be canceling the race on account of him. There are reasons that the race was cancelled other than from respect for Marco and because the other riders would certainly not be in the right frame of mind to continue racing. Nobody in the paddock would have wanted to continue racing on Sunday, and Alex Briggs tweeted that it was the longest pack up he had every experienced in his long MotoGP career, and that he hated the sport sometimes. That is no atmosphere to try and run a race. The medical teams would have been working flat out to save his life, and would not have been in a position to 'reset' everything in anticipation of a restart and would probably have been deeply affected by the incident the same as everyone else was. Also (and this is true in some countries but not all), because there had been a fatal accident the scene will become in effect a crime scene and evidence needs to be preserved for use in either criminal proceedings or in a subsequent inquiry. This may not have been the case in Malaysia, but is certainly true elsewhere. Your comment about the Isle of Man is yet again misplaced and irrelevant here. MotoGP has incredible saftey standards and medical facilities, but motor racing of any description is dangerous. Those who choose to participate know the risks involved and accept the consequences of their actions. Marco was killed in a freak accident that he would have walked away from 99% of the time. My thoughts are with his family, his team and with Colin and Vale in particular, who must be finding this very hard to deal with right now. | ||
| Jaimec |
ESPECIALLY Vale, who looked at Marco as his "kid brother." The normally effusive Rossi wouldn't even talk to the press. | ||
| Blake |
It's certainly a tragedy. I don't agree that it is somehow more a tragedy than any of the deaths at IOM every year. I respect the MGP decision 100%, just don't agree with it. I can't respect the money grubbers at IOM at all for greedily promoting their death race. Deaths of competitors at IOM don't adversely affect fellow racers, but a death on track in MGP renders them incapable of continuing a race? Explain. | ||
| Trojan |
Deaths of competitors at IOM don't adversely affect fellow racers, but a death on track in MGP renders them incapable of continuing a race? If you knew anything about racing on the IOM you'd know that races are usually stopped if a rider is killed or seriously injured and is immobile on the track. just like Marco was last weekend in Malaysia. The big difference however the IOM track is 32 miles long, so there is usually a lot of time to clear the track between competitors and get injured riders to hospital. Riders are very seldom/never declared dead at trackside in either MotoGP or IOM racing, so what usually happens is that riders are quickly removed to hospital (by helicopter in IOM) where specialist medical staff can work on them. In MotoGP there is a well staffed and equipped medical centre on circuit where riders go in the first instance. In the IOM they go straight to Nobles Hospital. In either case though, if a rider is lying on the track obviously seriously injured there is no choice but to stop the race. To even suggest that any racing death is somehow less important than another, or that competitors are not affected by it is diesrespectful to all concerned in my opinion. | ||
| Blake |
I thought that was what you were saying. I don't see a difference, as stated above. Lot's of excuses for the death race promoters is what I see. Marco's death was due to a feak racing accident. Hopefully it may spur further advancement in safety, perhaps better helmet retention system(s) and improved chest and neck protective measures. The avg four deaths and untold crippling injuries at IOM every year are not freak accidents. They are matter of course, to be expected. Yet the event continues being promoted for profit. Shameful. Stopping the race is not the issue. Canceling the race is. Are you saying that the IOM cancels racing there whenever a competitor is killed? It doesn't happen. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
once again blake derails a topic due to his overly strong opinions on IOM..... | ||
| Blake |
Once again you prefer pontificating personal commentary to substantive discussion. Please stop doing that. You want to complain about content posted to the forum that you deem problematic? Please do PM a custodian. We appreciate the help. No topic has been derailed. Comparisons have been made; what seems a double standard has been questioned. The only post I see here that fails to address an issue related to MotoGP is yours. Fail. You can do better!  . Yes? | ||
| Jaimec |
MotoGP and IOM: Apples and Oranges, Blake. People die in the Dakar Rally and the Baja 1000 too, but the facilities and the way they handle those deaths are completely different. Rescheduling the race this late in the season would also be impossible. They made the right call. No one in the paddock was in the right frame of mind to be controlling a 200+ hp motorcycle at speed. If another accident occurred, the medical staff would NOT have been able to respond appropriately. | ||
| Davegess |
Lets stop this childish and pointless discussion. A racer has died. Arguing about these petty topics is disrespectful. Give it a rest, argue about it next week. | ||
| Bads1 |
}We saw him this year in Indy. He was being escorted in one of those golf carts and when every body noticed him, they all started to cheer and clap. Jaimec I was standing there with my wife when he rode by in the back of that cart. What a great personality and loved his fans. I was more caught up in seeing him and forgot my camera around my neck. | ||
| Daves |
RIP Marco | ||
| Bads1 |
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| Blake |
Jaimie, Interesting observations, maybe valid, but then the excuses that the racers couldn't continue doesn't hold up, unless the other series you mention don't seem to suffer for that. Are the racers there less sensitive? I don't buy the idea that the medical staff couldn't handle another incident. Are you contending that they can only handle one emergency situation at a time? I don't think that is accurate. Let's sure hope not. | ||
| Jaimec |
Blake: I don't think, in those other series, the individual racers are as aware of what is going on with the other competitors as they are in MotoGP, what with the Jumbotrons, PA systems, etc. Bads1: Guilty of the same thing. After he had gone I realized I COULD have snapped a photo as I had my camera in hand at the time. | ||
| Bads1 |
Jaimie, lol I was to busy getting directed by the guys with whistles in their mouths. But none the less I was close enough that I could of put my hand out to shake his hand quickly and did not.  | ||
| Trojan |
I don't buy the idea that the medical staff couldn't handle another incident. Are you contending that they can only handle one emergency situation at a time? I don't think that is accurate. Let's sure hope not. How do you know what they are capable of handling or what their workload was that day? During the Moto 2 race there was a similar incident when Alex Pons crashed and was run over by Kenny Noyes, leaving him unconscious in the middle of the track and causing the race to be red flagged. Pons was rushed to the medical centre and was probably still there receiving treatment when the MotoGP race started, although thankfully he appears to be less seriously injured than was first thought. Add this to the trauma of dealing with Marco's death, which happened in such as dramatic and disturbing accident, and I don't think anyone but you has questioned the decision to cancel the race. The IOM and MotoGP are different sports and are run differently. The competitors in both sports know exactly what they are doing and accept the risks involved. However Marco never raced in the IOM and so arguments about the relative safety of the TT are for another thread surely? (Message edited by trojan on October 25, 2011) | ||
| Jaimec |
I'm picking up a disturbing pattern. At the 2010 Indy GP we saw Peter Lenz in the paddock area and wished him "Good Luck." That was the year he was killed under similar circumstances. I think maybe next year I'll stay in my seat and not wander about the track. I don't want to see anybody else... | ||
| Blake |
Matt, I'm not arguing the relative safety between IOM and MGP; I don't think there is any such argument anywhere. It would be ludicrous. The IOM is a death race. My point is the incredible double standard. Has MGP offered a statement explaining the specific reasoning for canceling the race? | ||
| Blake |
That's silly Jamie, and you know it. Up and coming racers really appreciate fan support. Be glad that you were able to offer some positive input to the young man. Never stop doing good for fear of the unfortunate. | ||
| Jaimec |
Maybe you're right. In 2005 I saw Colin Edwards at Laguna Seca in the paddocks. That was the year he finished second behind Nicky Hayden during the race. |
