| Author | Message | ||
     Snail |
So, here I sit with the app. forms for USFRA, BNI, AMA, and FIM....pondering who what and where? I'd like to join the Elves on the salt again. | ||
| Scrap |
Sure would be fun...... | ||
| Court |
>>>>I'd like to join the Elves on the salt again. And welcome you'd be. Efforts are afoot, as we May be less high profile, but just as competative! Need a shirt or a patch ?  | ||
| Snail |
All my clothes need patches, thanks, since the Elves got me hooked on salt racing I walk around in rags. I just got the bill for the head work and cams...and that was preceeded by the bill for the exhaust system... and will be suceeded by the bills for a gob lot of other stuff, including some dyno time. Are we on for World of Speed? | ||
| Court |
>>>>Are we on for World of Speed? Absoposilutely Don't miss the chance to sign up for the 2005 Isle of Man as well....Elves everywhere.... | ||
| Paulinoz |
Well I have booked to go just hope that the leather thing gets sorted so the rest of you show up. Fly into Salt Lake city Friday 17th Sept @ 1210 local. Leave Tuesday 21 st for Running the Ridge in NC. | ||
| Josh_ |
Hmm, I wonder if the FJR can actually hit 150 like they claim? | ||
| Snail |
I'm sending in my app. for the USFRA World of Speed event and looking forward to seeing you crazies again. Where can I get some tires 'shaved'? Anybody have a link or addy or tel. # ? | ||
| Rocketman |
Please don't take this the wrong way but has Team Elves become a Suzuki GSX1000R campaign? Seems Paul is asking questions that amount to a set of Team Elves leathers and a few patches? Buell? Rocket | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Nothing wrong with that. Already proved what they could do with the Buell. Why not go for broke & see what they can do with an IL4? | ||
| Firemanjim |
Paul,check out the tire shaving thread on the Hayabusa board http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=27375 they list a couple of places--shaved,huh--planning on over 200??? And Rocket,I am still planning on being there,though the whole leather rule change fiasco has had me worried. I have a 1250cc S&S bottom ended, Millenium cylindered,Aaron Wilson XB headed,Aerocharged Buell gonna be there. And a custom FJ-600 turbo bike for the kid. | ||
| Snail |
Rocket, what are you implying? | ||
| Paulinoz |
What is the difference between a set of Half worn tyres and a set of shaved tyres. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Number of times rubber has been heat-cycled,new tire/shaved has better rubber wear/traction than a half wornout tire. That and a bunch of cash--- | ||
| Paulinoz |
Ok so how does that relate to a faster speed rating for the tyre which is what we are trying to do make a 200 mph tyre rating go up. I undertand when we talk about old style tyres with deep, small section blocks, but a modern bike tyre is not far off a slick with a couple of groves. Is this just to meet another rule that has been hanging around for a long time, or are ther real benifits to be had as far as the ability of the tire to stay together at sustained higher speeds. | ||
| Snail |
I really don't expect to hit 200 mph but I'm going to try pretty hard. I thought shaving would enhance performance, I'd like to snip the shoulders off to reduce wind resistance and drag. Trying to get this all sorted out before I have to go back to sea, (couple of days). Glad you're comming Paul, look forward to another of your special omellets while we watch the sun come up over the salt... | ||
| Henrik |
Just found out why they insist on metal valve stem caps; these caps come with a rubber o-ring/seal that will seal the valve stem tight and prevent the tire from loosing air, if the centrifugal forces are high enough to open the valve itself - scary thought. Henrik | ||
| Snail |
Hi Henrik, they told me the rubber stems could get popped out of the wheel, whereas the metal ones are bolted in. Its not the caps its the stems that must be steel. I know because I had to change mine out. | ||
| Road_thing |
>>I'd like to snip the shoulders off to reduce wind resistance and drag.<< But Paul, won't your arms fall off?? r-t | ||
| Henrik |
its not the caps its the stems I stand corrected - thanks Paul. The stem cap thing was from a tech note in this months MCN. Henrik | ||
| Blake |
I'd think that the caps would need to be metal too, CMRA roadracing rules require metal (aluminum is okay) caps. | ||
| Snail |
Its both. | ||
| Paulinoz |
I got this mental picture of a armless Snail speeding down the salt with the top triple clamp between his teeth. As someone once said "mostly armless" | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Hey Paul, how come you keep spelling tire wrong????  | ||
| Paulinoz |
My compoters spell cheque is sete up four Rest of Wourld not US. | ||
| Snail |
Damn, looks like I'll be doing the BAB event rather than the USFRA event, for a variety of reasons. Going to miss you guys. | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Paul, That sucks! What's going on? Rules? | ||
| Snail |
Bluz, time mostly. The two events are only a week apart. The all cow leathers issue is a bit annoying as well, I can't even find a set of affordable off the shelf leathers to buy. | ||
| Bluzm2 |
The timing of the events is kind of a drag. I think Court mentioned something about "stay tuned" regarding the "all leather" thing. | ||
| Aaron |
USFRA will be following SCTA's rules wrt the leathers for all record classes. They will not enforce it, however, for the 130 and 150 club activity. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Yes he did--and I am still waiting---  | ||
| Firemanjim |
I have been writing e-mails and campaigning on all the websites I can about this leathers rule change.It is changing the minds of many racers,just look at Snail and Choptop.I am still hoping to make the USFRA event.Here is a couple of letters/replies I got--all from the USFRA you notice,though I sent it off to both bodies-- Dan,thanks for the reply.It's too bad the "new blood" you speak of is so unresponsive to the people the rules affect.It's nearly impossible to get an e-mail reply or return phone call from Mr.Eller.In comparison,I can call up the head tech guy for the Bubs event and get right through to him and have a question answered almost immediately.It's really too bad that there seems to be no method/process for input from the competitors where there is a wealth of experience available.The rules seem to appear with no warning or logic and can change back just as rapidly ala the A class requirements last year. I also read a letter from John Minono addressing his burns,they were actually caused by steam from sweat inside his leathers(my firefighter was burned this last week the same way,he had his nomex hood on but it was wet with sweat as this was the second fire in a row we went on and he burned his ear--through the nomex hood.)and had nothing to do with the style of leathers. I know there are outfits that will make all leather suits,but I need 2 sets as my son rides also.A bit steep and lead time is tough.We are just grass roots racers and have a small budget to work with. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Wright To: ELLEN WILKINSON FOR ; Jim HIGGINS ; salt356@relia.net ; jon@infodestruction.com Cc: jimo@badforgood.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Motorcyle leathers Jim I work for the USFRA as a tech inspector, and I wanted to take a moment to respond to your concerns. We (The USFRA) as a condition of having records set at our meets recognized (by the SCTA) have agreed to use the SCTA Rules at our events. This standardization of rules, requirements and records is a good arrangement. It allows racers to run at our events and have full confidence that their accomplishments will be recognized as valid Bonneville results. The downside of operating under this SCTA endorsement is that we are subject to the changes of SCTA rules, much the same as any other racer. We understand that the change to the leathers rules is a significant departure from what had been. I also understand that to be in compliance with the new rule, may be expensive for racers. I have inquired with the SCTA's Motorcycle rules folks and one option that they suggest is that racers have leather panels sewn either over or under (inside or outside) the perforated panels in existing leathers. Most any competent leather shop can handle such a modification. As a bit of history on this matter, you may remember that for many years, that Henry Louie and Dale Martin largely ran the MC rules committee and for many years the MC Rules were pretty stable. In the last few years, they have stepped down and there is considerable new blood on the MC Rules committee. Currently Wink Eller and Tom Evans are the ranking SCTA MC rules officials, they are trying very hard to do a responsible job. This rule change is an effort to avoid a repeat of the serious burn injuries which occurred to John Minono last year. As with most of the rules in the rulebook, this change is in response to a hard learned lesson. We at the USFRA are bound by the decisions that the SCTA mandates in this issue. We greatly value the Bike Folks who participate at World of Speed, and hope that you can understand our position in this matter. We will be watching this issue closely as it progresses. As a side note, be aware that records set at The private MC meet this summer will not be recognized as SCTA and/or Bonneville official records. I will keep you informed of any new information on this issue as it becomes available. I suspect that it will not be fully clarified until Speed Week. I hope to see you and the rest of Team Elves at World of Speed. Dan Wright P.S. If you wish, I can provide you with the names of Leathers manufacturers who can make leathers that meet the SCTA Requirements. At 06:29 PM 6/8/04 -0600, ELLEN WILKINSON FOR wrote: Jim, thanks for your letter. I am forwarding it to our other officials. We have already been contacted by other motorcycle racers and are looking into our options. We are hoping to have an opinion very soon. We understand where you are coming from. Please understand that we want to be sure any records you set at our event are recognized. We wouldn't want them refused because the participant didn't meet the rules. Thanks for taking the time to write. We appreciate your input. Ellen Wilkinson Utah Salt Flats Racing Association World of Speed, Sept 17 - 20, 2004 See you on the Salt! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim HIGGINS To: office@scta-bni.org ; usfra@saltflats.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: Motorcyle leathers I am writing this to let you know how concerned I am about the recent rule change regarding leathers.I have a good set of leathers that I have used for several years at Bonneville as well as at our local California racetracks.They meet the requirements of all the major racing organizations. I fail to see where these governing bodies will accept these leathers and a smaller organization like the SCTA will not.The added expense to purchase leathers that will meet the new requirements for my son and I will be considerable--and they will not be suitable for use in other forms of racing.I really enjoy coming to the Bonneville events,but the added expense/trouble involved in getting 2 new sets of leathers may cause us to reconsider,and go to the newly proposed event being put on by Dennis Manning.An all motorcycle event with cheaper entry fees and we can use our existing,very well made,armored,padded,leathers. I implore you to reconsider the rule change.The economic impact is considerable.The time needed to get a set of "all leather" leathers made needs to be considered,and the rationale behind the decision is flawed.If fire safety is the prime reason for the change,leather is certainly not the optimum choice.I have worked in the fire service for almost 25 years and can tell you that leather is NOT fire resistant by any means.It will actually absorb and hold the heat for a long time,and is permeable to gas/oil which would serve to keep those products close to the body. Please reconsider this rule.I know a lot of riders/racers that are considering the possibility of not running this year precisely because of this rule.I fell the negative impact will be considerable. Thank you,Jim Higgins,Team Elves,bike #'s 877,876. Daniel Wright University of Utah 20 S 2030 E BPRB Rm 332 Salt Lake City, Ut 84112-9454 | ||
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