| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
I wouldn't miss the last race of the year at New Jersey. You just never know WHAT kind of surprises to expect. | ||
| Doerman |
Ah.. there you go again. I've been to 6 AMA events this year, and now you're telling me I should go to this one also? Good thing I am scheduled to go to Brazil at that time. Makes the decision easy. I'd love to be there. I believe fully that a Buell will be on the top of the box in the DSB championship.. I knew it when I decided to go to Daytona in March that this is the year for Buell! | ||
| Ebear |
I'll see you there Court....... Say hi to Eric in Brazil , ozzie! | ||
| Buellroadracer |
Old Glory Buell will be at NJMP racing in the Moto-GT class on the XB12R and James Gang will be there on the 1125r as well. Come out and support all the Buell teams for the last race everyone! See you at the races! Jaycent Gebers #5 Old Glory Buell AMA PRO Moto-GT www.OldGloryBuell.com | ||
| Court |
>>>I've been to 6 AMA events this year, and now you're telling me I should go to this one also? You miss this . . . you will be sorry. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Bought my tickets for the 6th when I went to the practice 2 weeks ago! ac | ||
| Fdl3 |
I wouldn't miss the last race of the year at New Jersey. You just never know WHAT kind of surprises to expect. More AMA controversy?! (j/k)  | ||
| Avc8130 |
Slick on the RR? | ||
| Coolice |
And just so everyone doesn't start getting racing withdrawl....The Moto GT series has one more race after NJMP, DAYTONA 8 Hour in October. | ||
| Neb25 |
Mike, Will they run the 8 hour the same weekend with CCS ROC? | ||
| 2kx1 |
I plan on attending the New Jersey event,however i will only be able to attend one day. Which would be the better day? | ||
| Smoke |
i hope that the daytona moto gt 8 hr is run the same time as ccs roc. oct16-18 tim | ||
| Odinbueller |
Extremely cool stuff at NJMP that weekend. Trust me... | ||
| Buellroadracer |
Saturday will have Moto-GT, DSB, and American Sport Bike races. Saturday will be the best day for sure! Jaycent Gebers #5 Old Glory Buell AMA PRO Moto-GT | ||
| Endoman33 |
Don't get me wrong i love the Buell bikes I've had. But with all the mistakes Buell has had with new model intro's ie 08 1125R ?'s of the 1125RR's meeting AMA/DMG rules, I'm not holding my breath about New Jersey's race. I hope that I'm wrong on this Court, Please help Buell get it right this TIME!} | ||
| Blake |
>>>Don't get me wrong i love the Buell bikes I've had. If that is really how you feel, then why the negativity towards Buell? Do you own an 1125R? You're a fan of Buell but don't like them racing in the American Motorcyclist Association Pro Racing series? I don't get it at all. The enemies of Buell have obviously succeeded; here you are, a Buell owner who loves his Buell motorcycles, but have been convinced that Buell is some kind of disaster and you shouldn't support the effort of AMA Pro Racing teams who campaign Buell motorcycles. Unbelievable. I'll never understand how some people can be swayed from their own honest ot God reality into accepting at face value all the hateful baloney spewed on the internet. (Message edited by blake on August 09, 2009) | ||
| Blake |
When is this race? I'd like to attend. | ||
| Endoman33 |
sorry I'm talking bout the surprise court is refering too. and I have 08 1125r enjoy it very much and will attend VIR aug 14-16 AMA/DMG to support the Buell teams never had anyone over than Walt Sipp to pull for when I attend VIR for the AMA/DMG races | ||
| Elvis |
?'s of the 1125RR's meeting AMA/DMG rules I don't really see how this is something that puts a black mark on Buell, but since there seem to be a lot of people who have issues, let's step back and consider what Buell has done right or wrong regarding the 1125RR issue. First we have to consider what is really going on. Suzuki has been racing in AMA Superbike, AMA Superstock, World Superbike, British Superbike, Australian Superbike etc. etc. etc. for years and years. When the AMA Superbike rules were published, Mat Mladin's crew chief probably sat down and checked off which parts they could and couldn't use . . . "Let's see we can use the VX12 pistons, we need to use stock con-rods, we can use the dw56 valve springs, the g35 camshafts . . . " Most of those parts were probably in bins on the Yoshimura shelves, but any that they didn't have could probably be shipped from Japan. The components have been extensively tested and ECM maps have been developed to maximize RPM's and compression ratios with different combinations of those components. The bottom line is Yoshimura was likely able to quickly assemble an engine with drastically higher output than stock within a day of reading the new rules. Buell doesn't have those components. Shawn Higbee has been running a basically stock engine against Mladin's drastically modified one for the most of the season. For Buell and riders like Higbee to be competitive, someone needs to develop those components. Since There aren't any Yoshimura type teams riding Buells in Superbike, it falls to Buell to get that ball rolling. Apparently they tried to create a race kit to introduce some of those components (if you remember, during Daytona Testing, Shawn and Jeremy McWilliams were testing a "race kit" for Superbike . . . but something apparently went wrong and they ended up riding the Sportbike spec bike through most of the tire test). According to Edmonson, this is what happened with the race-kit: RW: And that leads us to the homologation of the Buell 1125RR. Did Erik Buell originally request to homologate just a kit of parts to make the 1125R more competitive in American Superbike? RE: Yes, he did. He sent a list of parts he thought were necessary to get that bike up to speed, and frankly it was a list I couldn’t allow our guys to approve. Then the question came up was there anyway we can take this motorcycle, which we’re currently offering to the public, and make it competitive. And I said, ‘Yes, if you want to put together a race kit and you install it and you’ll support it in terms of selling those same pieces to anybody who wants to buy one and if you’ll race it, yes, we’ll take a look at homologating a complete motorcycle.’ And I’m glad that we did. The only area of concern that I have is I feel the price [$39,995] is a little stronger than where we want to go. A lot of people ask, well, why hasn’t anybody else done that? Nobody else has asked. Buell asked and was given permission, and we relied on the old understanding that has been there for years of what constitutes a certain model of motorcycle. There’s been production motocross and Supercross racing for many, many years, and a long time ago the industry got together with the AMA and they determined that the frame, the swingarm, the head and the engine cases constituted the bike. So once the bike was homologated as a specific model, as long as those pieces remained the same you could then offer kits and other pieces. They had certain availability rules, but the basic homologation was the basis on which everything else took place. That’s the exact same rhyme or reason we used here. http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=3 7510 So with all that in mind, what has Buell done wrong? In my opinion, nothing. What should they have done? Should they have said: "Well DMG/AMA won't let us use the race kit without introducing an 1125RR . . . but there are web-sites like Superbikeplanet who hate us and want to maintain Japanese dominance and they will twist anything they can to try to use it against us so I guess we should just sit on our hands and continue to let riders like Shawn run stock engines against highly modified competition." They are doing everything they can to race within the rules and policies established by the racing management. Right now, there are production based American Motorcycle racing in AMA Superbike for the first time in my life. I'm not going to let that huge change in the fabric of motorcycle road-racing to be sullied by semantics and a few people who will do anything they can to prevent the teams they support from facing competition. | ||
| Endoman33 |
fair enough now build the the street version thanks | ||
| Court |
Please stay away. I've got to tell you . . . if that kind of stuff derails your day or life you and I are operating in different galaxies. My life has been a story written about DOING . . . not talking. If I let that kind of stuff derail me I'd have lived an incredibly dull life. I've failed so many times it's nearly it's own story. I've watched Erik Buell so broke (I mean penniless) that he boiled dandelions from the yard to feed his kids when he couldn't buy groceries. If he'd adopted your threshold, you'd not be riding a Buell. I've noticed two kinds of people. Those with tremendous self-confidence, a burning zeal to learn and the willingness to take the risks, screw up along the way and take the lumps. I gave the Commencement Address at Columbia University and cited several of my own experiences and got a standing ovation. The other type of person is the one who stands on the sidelines, lacks the confidence or curiosity to try and is content to criticize those who fail. They treat life as if i were window shopping and they could go through, look, study, evaluate and come back and buy. I've always lived my life out on the edge, good, bad, up, down, hills and valleys. Go where you want . . .. but please don't drag me down. Court | ||
| M2nc |
Many on the net have not stopped and researched the actual rules AMA has posted up. Most of the modifications to the motor on the RR are allowed by the present rules for any bike on the AMA Superbike grid. The only two parts that other manufacturers can not change from stock that the Buell RR can is Crank and Rods. The cams, pistons(Honda & Ducati), Air Box (Aprilias), valves, mill gasket surfaces to increase compression, suspension modification all can be done on any bike. They can also do some modifications to the crank on any bike. To quote a saying..."It's a whole lot to do about nothing." Though I would like to see a full fairing 20-25rwhp increased RR street version with Ohlins suspension to fly heads up against an 1198S. Even if it was limited edition order only bike, it would put a lot of fuss to rest and cool to see out on the street. I'll miss New Jersey but will be at VIR also. | ||
| Endoman33 |
Court, this is what I was looking for making sure Buell is listening, and of course you as well. I have respect for Buell and you not just from this site, but work at a dearlership. I have made many mistakes over the years myself. I don't let those mistakes stop me from moving forward. I have only read superbikeplanet once or twice a couple of years ago. These are my own thoughts. I belive many of us have to take our beatings before we learn. All I can say is at work If i repeated the same mistake over and over I would not have been at the same dealership for 8 years, and yes we are a Buell Dealer and I have worked to promot the bikes so that we don't become one of those dealers who has to drop them because of lack of sales. With current economic condtions each sale is very important. I just would really like to see Buell blow away the competions. My personal feelings are 1125RR should be a street bike to the public first then raced, not the other way around. If Court and Buell are willing to listen to my feed back so that I can help in a postive manner, not that I might be right all the time, I would like to be apart of a feed back group to the Buell company. Court, If you want plaese contact me anytime. I hope that I have clarifed what I meant in my earlier post. Thanks for the Honest and respectfull remarks Micah | ||
| Endoman33 |
+1 M2nc | ||
| Macdiver |
Endoman33, The 1125R is the street version of the 1125RR or in other words the 1125RR is a raced prepped 1125R. Just like the Suzuki, Yamaha, or Honda race bikes are modified versions of the street bikes. NO one is running street legal engines. You don't really believe that the big four just remove the headlights and mirrors to go racing do you? Those engines are modified as much as the rules allow. My understanding is that the reliability of these race prepped engines is not that good (i.e. intended to be torn apart and rebuilt after each weekend). I do not know about you, but I do not want to tear down and rebuild my engine every few hundred miles. Why would anyone want a race prepped engine for the street? | ||
| Macdiver |
Back on topic. I am going to NJMP for the Saturday races with some friends. My friends do not have bikes and are not motorcycle race fans but are big auto race fans. I'm hoping to get them watching the ama as well. Hopefully I will run into some of you guys there as well. | ||
| Endoman33 |
Macdiver I understand the jap deal on their bikes engines. I just would like to have seen a 1125RR for the street before they went racing with it. | ||
| Blake |
Don't get stuck on stupid. The 1125R is the street bike upon which the Superbike is based. I guess they should have called it the "Buell Racing 1125R F10" like Ducati does with their "Ducati Corse 1198R F09". | ||
| Bott |
IMHO, I have an RR. Its just missing a few AVAILABLE parts ,and a letter R. That being said, mine is a street bike. Rest assured that were I a RACER, and had the money, I'd either buy the parts, or buy the RR and go race. If, on the other hand, I wanted to race a Suzuki, no matter who I am, nor how rich, (Michael Jordan rich), I can NOT upgrade a GSXR from the dealer to run with Mladin and Co. Pretty cool deal with Buell, the way I see it. GO Buell Racing! | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
But with all the mistakes Buell has had with new model intro's ie 08 1125R ? WTF?  I GIVE UP... JT |
