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Rasta_dog
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know it's the Yosh team and then everyone else, but I thought the battle between Miladin & Spies in Fontana would be worth acknowledging. I mean, only if you like Ricky Carmichael like stuff passes and .011 of a second margin of victories & stuff like that.
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Doerman
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Rockstar Makita (formerly Yoshimura) Suzuki team is dominating Superbike for yet another year. But the action at Fontana this weekend was great. In both superbike races, there was a fierce battle for 3rd and in Sunday's race a stunning victory for Ben. Great for the spectators. The FX race on Saturday was absolutely fantastic!

Likewise with Supersport and Superstock. All very competitive and fun to watch.

If the proposed changes for 09 goes through, we'll also get to see MotoST. I will very much welcome that.

(Message edited by doerman on April 28, 2008)
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Littlefield
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spies showed a tremendous amount of heart in the second race. He was done by as much as 4 seconds as I recall.
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Azxb9r
Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know Spies ran away with the victory again, but seeing Hacking and Hodgson both out run Mladin for second and third makes me wonder if the other teams are starting to catch up.
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 04:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2 Brits on the podium in both races can't be bad ; )
(yes I know Jamie Hacking has lived in the US most of his life, but he still has a British passport).
If only we could do the same in WSB & MotoGP : )
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2 Brits on the podium in both races can't be bad

That depends on your viewpoint. j/k. It was nice to break up the Spies/Mladin show for once. We'll see if that is a trend or just an anomaly...
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Off to Road America this weekend. Its a HP track for sure. I'll be there Saturday. I'm hoping to see more of Honda's Hodgson and the Attack Kawasaki again. The racing seems to get some what tighter this year anyhow.
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Bads1
Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was a Ben and Matt show again. But did manage to get a pic or two. Heres one at Canada corner.



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Bads1
Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mladin disqualified!! Read it here: http://motorcycledaily.com/21august08_mmladin.htm
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Bads1
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its already been posted in another thread.
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess that's the importance of keeping the subject matter on topic. I scanned all of the subjects here and found nothing more appropriate a place to post that than under this heading...
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mladin appeal rejected.

This just in from AMA Pro Racing:
Daytona Beach, Fla.--AMA Pro Racing announced today that the appeal of the disqualification of Mat Mladin on the #6 Suzuki from the Superbike races at Virginia International Raceway on August 16-17, 2008 has been deemed without merit and has been denied. The original penalty remains as previously announced and becomes final with this decision.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 07:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congratulations Ben Spies! Three in a row. Too bad Suzuki doesn't have a competitive program in MotoGP.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wonder if they'll hit the Yosh chief mechanic with a suspension and fines - as they did with Carry Andrew in 98? It cost bucks - and Pridmore and Hayden were DQ'd from the Daytona race.

Andrew was later banned from even ATTENDING an AMA event because of Hayden's racing with an illegal aftermarket windscreen while the Suzuki team/Andrew/Hypercycle was on probation.

Man-Up Suzuki, you've been here before.

(Message edited by slaughter on September 06, 2008)
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Trojan
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 04:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Too bad Suzuki doesn't have a competitive program in MotoGP.

It does, as can be judged by the recent performances of Vermuelen & Capirossi....but they couldn't afford Ben Spies' unrealistic wage demands (He may be a multiple AMA champion but is still an unproven force in MotoGP) and won't run three bikes next year. Suzuki have just signed their current rider line up for another year and Spies best chance for a ride in MotoGP would appear to be for the JIR/Scot/Honda team that Dovizioso will leave vacant when he goes to HRC.
Rumour has it that a deal with Spies has already been 95% agreed, with a much smaller retainer than was originally asked for. The only fly in the ointment may be that JIR & Scot have recently split, and that if they both want to run bikes next year Honda may not be in a position to supply both.

The other major rumour of course is that Spies will replace Troy Bayliss at Ducati in WSB next year, and this seems to be gathering more momentum as the riders slot into place and the good rides appear taken in MotoGP. The Ducati WSB ride will probably have a clause that would feed Spies into selected GP's as well.

Either way, he won't be in AMA next year that's pretty much for sure ; )
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Bads1
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Matt read the last Paragraph. Hes riding Indy. So I'd say hes going to Moto GP.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=34061
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Sd26
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 07:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just 'cause he has a ride at the Indy US GP it's not guaranteed that he's riding MotoGP.

There is also the rumor that Haga is replacing Bayliss at Ducati.
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Trojan
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spies has an agreement in place to ride for Rizla Suzuki at Indy this year, but has not being picked up by Suzuki for MotoGP next year. They have already signed their riders for 2009 and have said thatthey will not run a third bike for Spies next year. He has made no secret of his desire to get into MotoGP next year, but his choice of (decent) rides is getting narrower all the time.

The rumours as to who will ride at Ducati next year in place of Bayliss are absolutely rife, and I have never known the rider market to be so affected by just one slot. Nobody in WSB is finalising their rider lineup until the Ducati place is filled by the look of it.

Haga has been offered a lot less money to ride for Yamaha again next year, so is in search of a competitive ride with more money. Yamaha had to step in and promise to pay Colin Edwards wages in MotoGP next year after initially saying that it would not, so the purse strings are getting tighter elsewhere. I doubt whether Hag's style will translate well to the Ducati anyway (he certainly didn't do too well last time he rode a Duc), but there is also a long list of riders apparently up for the ride including Biaggi, Byrne, Spies, Haslam and half of the BSB/WSB lineup : )

Other factories loking for at least one more rider include BMW and Aprilia, so there should be enough seats to go around at least.
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Bads1
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spies goes then he'll have a top seat. Live on TV just last week he said at Road Atalanta " I can't talk about it any further" and Matt Mladin basically saying live on TV this past weekend that he has no Competition after Ben is gone this year. Pretty much is a given that hes going. And yes him riding at Indy is a tattle tale that hes going to Moto GP. No reason for him to go ride a GP bike at all if he wasn't. 3 weeks ago he was still in a pretty big battle with Mladin for the Championship. 3 weeks ago it was already out that he was racing Indy in GP. At that point would he or Suzuki risk a injury when his AMA championship was not sealed yet?? I doubt they'd say go ahead Ben go make a appearance in GP for a Joy Ride. I'll bet hes actually going to ride a Suzuki and its hush,hush.

(Message edited by bads1 on September 08, 2008)

(Message edited by bads1 on September 08, 2008)
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Sd26
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Miguel and Roger Lee didn't got to MotoGP after their "joy rides". Neither has Hacking this year.

Riders looking for additional upward opportunities will often have things like this written in their contract.
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Bads1
Posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Miguel and Roger Lee didn't got to MotoGP after their "joy rides". Neither has Hacking this year.

Riders looking for additional upward opportunities will often have things like this written in their contract.

Neither of them were contention for a championship either. And as far as their contract's??? Suzuki/Yosh/Makita have every right to protect there investment. They sell bike's,aftermarket bike parts and tool's. If they win a Championship its better for business.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suzuki is not competitive in MotoGP as far as any aspirations of winning a championship are concerned. For that we have Honda, Ducati and Yamaha. Suzuki doesn't compare and doesn't win races in the dry. They aren't competitive for the championship and they haven't been since Kenny Roberts Jr. won the championship.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AMA Pro Racing statement regarding Mat Mladin disqualification and appeal process
Daytona Beach, Fla.--AMA Pro Racing has issued the following statement from Roy Janson, AMA Pro Racing vice president of competition, regarding the disqualification of Mat Mladin, riding the No. 6 Suzuki, from the Superbike races at Virginia International Raceway on August 16-17, 2008, and the denial of the subsequent appeal of that disqualification:

The technical rules for AMA Superbike events were developed to create a competition environment that utilizes modified production machines that are available to all competitors with replacement parts that are available through a national distribution network of franchised dealers. While the AMA Superbike rules allow for some aftermarket items to be used in Superbike competition, such as front and rear suspension units, some parts are explicitly required to be used in their stock/production form to help to control the costs of competing in this class and to ensure that key competition components are available equally to all competitors.

The AMA Pro Racing vehicle homologation procedure requires that each motorcycle manufacturer or distributor submit samples of controlled parts as a means to establish the legality of each part and to provide control samples of these regulated parts, which are available at each event for comparison purposes during the post event technical inspection process to determine if the specified stock/production parts are used as required.

The AMA Superbike rules specifically require that crankshafts be stock/production items and the decision as to the legality of such specific parts is based upon a comparison to the controlled stock/production parts that are supplied by each manufacturer or distributor.

From the onset of this matter regarding the crankshaft of the #6 Suzuki at post-event technical inspection following the event at Virginia International Raceway, it was clear, simply from a visual inspection by the AMA Pro Racing Technical staff, that the part in question differed significantly from the control sample provided by the motorcycle distributor.

To ensure that the examination process of the crankshaft was thoroughly conducted, the #6 crankshaft and the control sample were returned to the AMA Pro Racing headquarters so that additional examination could be conducted to confirm that the part was not a stock crankshaft. To support this process, AMA Pro Racing also obtained two additional, new crankshafts from the distributor's parts distribution system, to use as additional comparison units, along with the control sample that was supplied by the same distributor, as required during the homologation process for the 2008 Suzuki GSX-R1000.

While the three stock/production crankshaft samples provided by the motorcycle distributor were all consistent in their appearance, mechanical dimensions and surface finish, the #6 crankshaft differed significantly from these stock/production items in each of these areas. This was also the case when the part from the #6 Suzuki was compared to several other 2008 Suzuki machines, campaigned by other teams and riders that were subsequently inspected by AMA Pro Racing since the VIR event.

In addition, the material content of the control crankshaft and the crankshaft from the #6 machine were subjected to independent testing, which identified further inconsistency between the #6 crankshaft and the stock/production control part submitted by the distributor.

Throughout this examination process, the team representatives for the #6 Suzuki were informed that it was the responsibility of the team to demonstrate conclusively that the part in question was a stock/production part, available to all participants through normal retail outlets throughout the United States. While the entrants of the #6 Suzuki and the motorcycle distributor supplied several responses during this inquiry, none of this material supported the suggestion that the crankshaft from the #6 Suzuki was a stock/production part.

AMA Pro Racing has provided this team ample opportunity to answer the simple question regarding this particular part, which is whether or not the #6 crankshaft is a stock/production part, similar to the sample parts provided by that same company, and whether or not this part was currently available to other riders or teams through their national dealer network. Nothing was provided by this company to support the position that the #6 crankshaft was a stock/production part, nor was any information provided that demonstrated that this part was available to any other teams.

The AMA 2008 rulebook allows for the updating of parts by manufacturers in section 2.2 "Superseded Parts", which allows manufacturers and distributors to update "parts controlled by these rules", when through normal manufacturing changes a new part is developed to replace a currently approved part. The team does not claim in any of its supporting documents that the crankshaft is an updated or superseded part.

While both the U.S. distributor of the Suzuki GSX-R1000 and the team owners of the machine have publicly criticized and questioned the action to penalize the rider of the #6 Suzuki for using an illegal crankshaft at the VIR AMA Superbike National, AMA Pro Racing is fully satisfied that the examination of this part and the subsequent disciplinary action to disqualify the rider of this machine was done in a fair, thorough manner and in accordance with the AMA Superbike rulebook.
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Aeholton
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like the AMA was extremely thorough in testing and in it's investigation. That there is exactly why the factory teams are afraid of DMG. Minimizes their advantages.
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Trojan
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suzuki is not competitive in MotoGP as far as any aspirations of winning a championship are concerned. For that we have Honda, Ducati and Yamaha. Suzuki doesn't compare and doesn't win races in the dry. They aren't competitive for the championship and they haven't been since Kenny Roberts Jr. won the championship.

Suzuki are as capable of winning races as Yamaha and most Hondas are, and in fact regularly outscore all but one Yamaha. The difference is the rider : )
I am pretty sure that Rossi would win on the Suzuki as it stands right now, and Vermuelen has indeed won a dry race on it in addition to his wet weather performances I believe.


More AMA riders were in evidence at Donington last weekend touting for a 2009 ride in WSB/WSS. Josh Hayes, Jason Di Salvo and Chaz Davies were all seen doing the rounds with their CV's hoping for a vacant berth, and Josh Hayes has signed to ride the Parkalgar Honda in WSS for the final three rounds (with a view to signing next year for a full season).

Chaz Davies says he isn't bothered about the prospect of staying and racing in the US next year, but was still pretty keen to get a ride elsewhere by the look of it.

Haga has definitely signed to replace Bayliss at Ducati in WSB, which will mean that all the other teams will have their ducks in a row pretty soon, and riders appearing to miss out on decent rides next year include Max Biaggi and Ben Spies (although he is apparently still in talks with a couple of privateer Honda GP teams). I am sure all will become much clearer after Indy this weekend as to exactly who is going where in MotoGP : )
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Buell2001b
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i like Spies but seriously after seen how bad he is compared to the GP racers, there is no reason to watch AMA unless I see a Buell racing. AMA would be more fun if there were equal percent of brand bikes in a race and a minimum of 10 brands, (Aprilla, Buell, BMW, KTM, Suzuki, Kawasaki, MV Agusta, Honda, Yamaha, Benelli, Ducati, Bimota)
that means if only 2 Bimotas race then only 2 Hondas can Race.
this will create brand loyalty instead of Racers.
no engine or weight restrictions. as long as they classify as sportbikes.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"i like Spies but seriously after seen how bad he is compared to the GP racers"

Ben finished very well and beat the majority of the GP racers and he did so after falling back a ways in the early going at Laguna Seca. Considering his lack of time on the bike and with the team, he did amazingly well. So did Jamie Hacking. They did the AMA proud.

I'd say that Ben Spies is easily among the top ten motorcycle road-racers in the world right now.
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Azxb9r
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will have to agree with that. Considering that he jumped onto an unfamiliar bike, and had very little time to get to know it, he did quite well.
Talent wise, I think that Spies is motoGP caliber. His success at that level will be based on the quality of his equipment imho.
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Trojan
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 04:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To finish in the top ten of a GP is a great achievement, although if you look at the story behind Laguna there are good reasons why some regular GP riders didn't do so well (tyres, injury etc), so the wild card riders benefitted enormously from that.
To see just how good Ben really is compared to the rest of the field we will have to see how he goes on a longer term basis.

Indy will be a far more realistic measure for him, simply because he has now had plenty of seat time on the bike and the track is new to everyone, which makes it a much more level playing field.
If he is as good as people think, then he should be fighting with the other Suzukis at least, and certainly be racing against Toseland, Dovizioso and the other 6th-10th place runners on a regular basis.

If he goes to GP next year in a 'customer' team it will be a good test of his talent and character, especially coming from years in AMA on the dominant bike and best team. If, as the rumours suggest, he signs for one of the 'privateer' Honda teams it will show how comitted he really is to racing in GP's rather than just the money. If he can get a 'satellite team' Honda near the podium it will show his mettle far better than if he walked straight into a factory team, and will also give him a much better start in GP's with no pressure to win straight away.

Switching from Superbikes to GP bikes isn't as easy as some people would imagine, just ask James Toseland, Colin Edwards, Nori Haga and Chris Vermuelen. Top speeds may be similar but corner speeds and setup are completely different and take a completely revised riding style.

However, this could all be pure conjecture, as the latest rumour is that having failed to attract an offer from a top team in WSB or MotoGP, Spies will not leave the US for the 2009 season after all and will continue with Yoshimura Suzuki, wherever they decide to race next year.

By the way, if you are going to Indy this weekend the race to watch will be the 250 GP class making its return to the US after a long absence : ) Makes MotoGP look like a parade.
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