| Author | Message | ||
     Rrrrrrrick |
I have heard lots of rumors, does anybody have any real info on Moto-ST for 2009? Is it still a 2 cyl series? Is Moto GT the new version? | ||
| Coolice |
Still in the works, yes Moto GT now. AMA Proracing website has the latest. We will be running with AMA next year at select races with the 8 hour finale. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Yes, ST is now GT.. and includes 600cc I-4's. Here are the rules for 2009: Moto-GT All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced by the manufacturer for the homologated machine. Unless otherwise specified, all parts must originate from the same make/model as the homologated machine, meaning no updating or backdating is permitted In addition, every motorcycle entered must meet the requirements listed in General Equipment Standards. MGT 1 - CLASSES, HORSEPOWER LIMITS, LEGAL WEIGHTS GT 1 Machines that develop between 90hp and 130hp when tested for compliance. Minimum weight is 3lbs for every 1hp. GT 2 Machines that develop no more than 90hp when tested for compliance. Minimum weight is 360lbs. Immediately following each qualifying session or race, the top finishers plus other motorcycles chosen at random will be tested on the Official Series Dynojet dynamometer to verify rear wheel horsepower. The test numbers will be generated on the dynamometer using only numeric readings, with the "smoothing" set on five, using an "SAE" horsepower calculation. Compliance with the minimum weight will be determined by weighing the machine in the exact condition in which the machine finishes any competition activity (qualifying or race final) without the addition of fluids or other items of any kind. MGT 2 - TIRES Dunlop is the Official Tire Supplier of AMA Pro Road Racing and only tires produced by Dunlop and mounted at the meet may be used in competition. Unless otherwise announced, tires approved for use in dry conditions will be available in three compound choices. Intermediate tires and tires approved for use in wet conditions will be available in a single compound. MGT 3 - FUEL Official Fuel - The Official Fuel of AMA Pro Racing is Sunoco 260 GTX, and its exclusive use in unadulterated form shall be mandatory. Only air may be mixed with the fuel as an oxidant, and no other substances, chemicals and/or liquids whatsoever shall be added, combined, mixed and/or introduced to said Official Fuel whether intentionally or unintentionally unless approved in advance in writing by the AMA for use by all competitors. All competitors must use the official fuel, as supplied by the manufacturer at the track, during all on-track sessions. All motorcycles must prominently display the appropriate unmodified official fuel company decal on the motorcycle at all times. AMA Pro Racing has the right to sample a competitor's fuel at any time. Competitors are responsible for the safe and proper handling and security of their fuel from when it is dispensed to them until it is used. Competitors are responsible for properly disposing of all unused fuel. Complete specifications for Sunoco 260 GTX are posted in the General Equipment Regulations section of this rule book. MGT 4 - WHEELS/BRAKES Original equipment wheels must be used, except where a TIF provides for substitutes. Substitutes must appear on the Eligible Equipment List. Front wheels = 17” x 3.5” all machines Rear wheels = 17” x 5.5” or 17” x 6” (See TIF for each machine) Original equipment brake systems and wheels must be used, unless the OE wheels are wire-spoke wheels or not 17" in diameter, in which case they must be replaced by 17" non-wire spoke wheels from another model within the same manufacturer's product offering or aftermarket wheels as long as the aftermarket wheels with bearings, seals, brake rotors have a total weight equal to or greater than the original wire-spoke wheel in the same application. Aftermarket brake pads and lines may be installed. The front brake master cylinder may be substituted. Aftermarket front brake rotors may be used as long as the rotors are the same size (diameter) as OEM equipment. Caliper mounts and hangers, front and rear, may not be modified or substituted. Front wheel spacers may be made "captive" at the approval of Tech. Inspector to allow for faster front wheel changes. At the rear wheel, stock parts must be used, including the caliper mount and chain adjuster, but wheel spacers may be made "captive," and a caliper retaining device may be used, but must be approved by the Technical Inspector. Brake caliper mountings must be wire locked front and rear. The use of safety wired quick-change clips is permitted. Axles and/or pinch bolts must be safety wired or otherwise secured by acceptable means except for wheel mounting nuts and/or bolts for single sided swingarms. MGT 5 - FRONT SUSPENSION Original front forks must be retained, including inner and outer tubes, fork bottoms, and caliper mounts. Aftermarket Cartridge kits appearing on the Eligible Equipment List are permitted and aftermarket fork caps may be substituted. A steering damper may be installed with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. A fork brace may be installed with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. Triple Clamps may be substituted with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. Front suspension modifications are limited to: Internal parts may be modified consistent and within the foregoing restrictions, including substitution of springs, change of shims and/or spacers, and addition of kit/aftermarket valving units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. External Compression Adjusters may be modified/changed. Steering Head inserts to adjust rake may be used as long as no part of the frame is modified. MGT 6 - REAR SUSPENSION The original model, stock swingarm must be retained, unchanged, except that the axle adjustment opening/slot may be lengthened, with the permission of the Technical Inspector. The rear shock linkage may be substituted with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. The rear shock may be modified or replaced by units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. MGT 7 - FRAME/ADJUSTABLE PIVOT Unless otherwise provided for on the TIF, the original frame must be used. Unnecessary brackets may be removed. Adjustable swingarm pivots are permitted, but no modifications to the frame or swingarm can be made to allow this adjustability. MGT 8 - BODYWORK/CONTROLS/APPEARANCE Aftermarket, OEM-style bodywork and custom fairing mounts may be used. The fairing must match the shape of the OEM machine in silhouette and profile and the AMA shall have the right to use templates and go-no-go devices therefor. An oil retaining, “sealed” lower fairing is mandatory. The stock gas tank must be used, but aftermarket gas caps are allowed. A front fender must be mounted. Aftermarket footpegs, clip-on bars, shift/brake mechanisms and fasteners may be used. Nonstandard “Kill Switches” must not be spring loaded and must be well marked. Titanium Fasteners are not permitted. Tail sections may be increased in size to allow for required number display. Final approval rests with the Chief Technical Inspector. MGT 9 - ENGINE MODIFICATIONS Engine Control System Homologated engine control unit (ECU), must be either: As homologated and inner software can be changed; Or the ECU kit model (produced and/or approved by the machine Manufacturer) can be used. A special connector can be used to connect the kit ECU and the original wire loom. MGT 10 - AIR BOX/INTAKE/SCOOPS Original equipment air box is required, without modification. An air filter is required. Original equipment air filter and air filters appearing on the Eligible Equipment List are permitted. Ram air systems are permitted if specified and used on the homologated motorcycle. Ducts and scoops, must be identical in specification to the original equipment system. MGT 11 - POST QUALIFYING/POST RACE TECH Immediately following each qualifying session or race, the top three finishers plus other motorcycles chosen at random at the discretion of AMA Pro will be secured for inspection by AMA Pro staff members. Motorcycle weights will be checked immediately following qualifying or races, in the same condition in which they finish the activity, including all fluids such as oil, water and fuel. No fluid and/or any other item(s) may be added to the motorcycle before the determination of weight. (Message edited by redbuelljunkie on October 25, 2008) | ||
| Benm2 |
So now that the final 2009 rules are out for "MOTO-GT", has anyone else noticed how much they suck? According to the new rules, this is what you CAN do on your XB12 MOTO-GT bike: 1. Lighter aluminum rear subframe. 2. Buell race ECU 3. Aftermarket master cylinder for front brakes 4. Aftermarket adjustable triple clamps 5. Aftermarket rearsets & clip ons 6. Mods for captive wheel spacers, and quick release brake pins 7. Front end suspension work, on stock forks 8. Aftermarket rear shock That's it. Here's a list of things (according to the letter of the rules) you CAN'T do: 1. Aftermarket exhaust 2. ANY engine work, for lightening or power 3. ANY lightening or modification of wiring harness 4. Lighter battery 5. Chain drive conversion So you can run a mostly stock XB12 with suspension work. This phrase nails the coffin lid shut:
That also means that if you wanted to run last years bike in 2009, no ZTL2 for you unless you buy a new bike. That means no bigger crankpin if your still running a pre-2007 frame. The bonus? The 360 lb weight limit in the GT2 class. Most of the Buell's in the GT class were around 400. Oh, and the bonus that 4 cylinder bikes are now allowed. Is Buell still a title sponsor for 2009? These rules don't seem engineered to allow the XB12 to compete. I'd bet the hot setup would be the lightest Yamazukasaki 600 with the rev limit lowered to keep it below 90hp. Was there some massive outcry that MOTO-ST had an ufair ruleset? Was the tight competition between the Ducatis, Bimotas and Buells too much? Did the fans miss the silence associated with stock motorcycle exhausts? WTF??? | ||
| Sd26 |
Well, GT2 is for 90HP and below right? I'm not sure what other bikes would be in that. SV650? Sure it weighs less, but it has less power, certainly. Almost looks like a wash. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I wouldn't waste my time | ||
| Eboos |
No chain drive conversion? That was a common exception to any rule disallowing modified or replace swingarms. | ||
| Skinstains |
So my street bike is too modded up to race Moto-GT. It must be fast as hell then, cool maybe I'll take it to Bonneville. | ||
| 4cammer |
Huh. Only reason this series interested me was the fact that it was not infested with Japanese I-4's. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Well, there are so few series for the 4 bangers.  |
