| Author | Message | ||
     Jimidan |
Jim, I think you miss my point completely. I am too far down the line to want to be part of the Buell thing. I don't feel like Buell are my kind of company. I've come to dislike the way they represent themselves. Be it in the public domain or on here. They suck in racing terms as far as I'm concerned, and their bikes are no longer the sort of machine a Hells Angel would ride. In fact, the larger Buell has grown the more ordinary I see the company and the product. Yet on the other foot, when Buell started out they came at motorcycle design from a different place, but today it is the more mainstream manufacturer that is challenging the boundaries and approaching motorcycle design wearing blue jeans whilst Buell does everything it can to be accepted as the Saville Row suit wearing grown up. Buell have sold themselves too normal for my tastes. I mean, even the likes of BMW have gone badass with their bikes. Buell are building for middle aged duffers it seems, and whilst this may surprise you, middle aged I might be, but I'm f*cking proud to be a motorcycle rebel. You are right, I think I missed your point completely, since in your previous post you said different things. Hmmmm, how on Earth did I do that? I agree with you though, Buells aren't the kind of machines Hells Angels would ride...doohhh!!!  Yeah, Hells Angels ride those badassed extra ordinary Harley choppers (or is it BMWs?)! Judging from your tone and content lately, I think it is a wise decision for you to make the break with Buell and get you something that is made in your kinda company. At least this decision is based on more than an Anony talking mean to you. I guess that since you don't want to be part of the Buell thing, we won't be reading much more of your literature, huh? That is too bad, because I am sure your good friend Blake and all of those guys who stick you with one star are going to miss you screwing with their beta blocker meds. But I disagree with you as Buell is not making bikes for middle aged duffers anymore, that went out with the tube framed bikes (middle aged duffers where the ones who owned all of them, anyway). I think you have it bass-ackwards. Yep, Buell has targeted the squids with bikes with GP250 geometry, extreme lean angles, and all of those patented out-of-the-box-thinking components (gas in the frame, oil in the swingarm, ZTL front brake, etc.), and the middle aged duffers have been howling ever since. Maybe you missed that in England, I don't know. Or maybe you have never ridden an XBR...or if you did, maybe your knees and back were hurting you too much to notice that it wasn't just an ordinary middle aged duffer bike, huh? And I am sure that the superbike that Buell will be releasing this fall will be for the middle aged duffers too. Hey, come on over to Speedzilla Ducati when you get one of those...I hear that Hells Angels are going nuts over the 1098! We will be able to utilize your sharp wit and real Bennie Hill wit without all of those testy rednecks zapping you with one stars. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sounds like it's time to stop talking about it and move on. Let us know all about your new bike... we would love to hear about it... And you can never mention Buell again. You will be happier, and we will be happier, and we can all appreciate the neat person you really are again. | ||
| Blake |
Remember when Rocketman used to post those great stories about his various moto adventures? | ||
| Rocketman |
But I disagree with you as Buell is not making bikes for middle aged duffers anymore, that went out with the tube framed bikes (middle aged duffers where the ones who owned all of them, anyway). I think you have it bass-ackwards. Yep, Buell has targeted the squids with bikes with GP250 geometry, extreme lean angles, and all of those patented out-of-the-box-thinking components (gas in the frame, oil in the swingarm, ZTL front brake, etc.), and the middle aged duffers have been howling ever since. Maybe you missed that in England, I don't know. Or maybe you have never ridden an XBR...or if you did, maybe your knees and back were hurting you too much to notice that it wasn't just an ordinary middle aged duffer bike, huh? Well let's put it in a different tone seeing as how you're relying on your own wit and sarcasm to counter my objections. Before I do, let me ask you why you see fit to defend Buell? Can't they speak for themselves? After all, the board has a mild infestation of anonymous Buell representatives here these days. The UK superbike scene is pretty much for the most middle aged men. That's men typically around 40 and older. The choice superbike would be, surprise surprise, made in Japan, but there are fringe manufacturers from Italy who get a pretty good showing. So whilst these machines are owned and ridden by 40 somethings on average, their choice of bike is heavily influenced by two things. What they owned when they were younger, and who's doing what in racing. In the UK that kills Buell on both counts. That's not a put down. Just fact. So who's buying Buells in the UK? When I bought my S1W new in 1998 only the Ducati Monster 600 and 900 could have been regarded as production streetfighters already out there. The Monster though was more a 'Sloan Ranger' bike than true streetfighter, perhaps more suited to the marketing exec yuppie types with disposable income, who would look cool zapping one down the Kings Road in their Ozwald Boateng suits and Gucci shades. When the big bad Buell Lightning came to town, pen pushing yuppies weren't catered for. Heavy clutch action, tall seat, big bike feel, and of course, a manly 1200 grunty lump, all enough to scare away the hardiest of money to burn spoilt rich city kids. Instead the big bad Buell was courted by the likes of Evel Knievel emulating Bubba Blackwell in the US, and Hells Angels here in the UK, the most famous of which, Maz Harris, motorcycling journo and all round HA spokesman. Clearly the big Buell was not your Chelsea cruiser. It was hard core as a motorcycle, and by association too. By such definition the Buells audience was limited, but that was a huge part of its appeal. So what changed for Buell when the XB9R hit the UK streets? A softer bike was seen. A bike more sports rider orientated for sure. But the UK is a seasoned, much hardened sportsbike market, and in this arena the XB9R had limited appeal. One thing is certain though. Buell had come of age and in doing so had lost their bad boy image, seemingly forever. The XB12S might have addressed the bad boy image a little, but the reality is it's more a fashion statement than an affiliation to any particular group of motorcyclists. As such the XB range of motorcycles find itself neither a streetfighting market leader, as other brands have dominated, such as Triumph's Triples, and even the more lairy Monsters offered from Ducati, and the XB is certainly not a sportsbike by any stretch of the British imagination. This means your typical Buell owning Brit is there for one of two resons. The sportsbikes are too powerful for them yet they like the appeal of a softer more user friendly sports orientated bike, and the Buells quirkiness putting them into a somewhat more exclusive than the rest club. I have a sneaky suspicion that the current Buells are not attracting the US squid generation either, save the odd one or two. Sportsbikes are ever more popular in the US, and from where I'm looking I'd say the majority market for them is pretty similar in age and income (relative) to that of the UK. I can't say with any certainty US sportsbike sales are as much influenced by the racing scene as they may well be in the UK, but my bet would be, Buells are not regarded as sportsbikes in the US outside of the Buell scene. In other words, Buell hat wearers might regard their XB's as sportsbikes, but it's somewhat an illusion perpetrated by those wanting to believe they're riding a sportsbike when in fact they are not. Curiously this has the Buell cornered, but somewhat surprisingly the Buell is in the corner of 'sensible choice'. The Buell for grown ups - Buell has grown up. So yeah, the XB's GP250 geometry, extreme lean angles, whatever, they are not there to entice the young and the squid. They are there to make believe the old duffers buying them think they've bought a sportsbike when in fact what they've really bought is a clever way of making an otherwise unappealing to sportsbike riders underpowered motorcycle perform a little magic in the corners. Have I ridden one? Why would I want to? My 916 has Harris Works Performance rear sets fitted. Yep, same as what was on the real racers, and they're even higher than the stock Ducati ones, so when I want to wear my WSB hat I can. On the other hand, if I want to play Hells Angels for the day (which isn't the sole reason for my owning such an animal of a bike - before I get nailed into a corner over such comment), I can do that too. I just wheel out the big bad Buell. I have no desire to own any other Buell for better reasons than I already own the Buell I have now, and those reasons are fading fast. I'm of mind to disassociate myself from the elitist closed shop attitude of the Buell management who seem at pain to accept constructive criticism, yet they're always there to accept a slap on the back for what is actually the achievements of others trying hard on a Buell motorcycle that's pretty much unsupported by the Buell factory. Which if I'm not mistaken was pretty much my point for being in this thread in the first place. Rocket | ||
| Slaughter |
I want to see my name on this thread. Not that I have anything to say relevant to the French race - I just want to see my name here. | ||
| Jetbuilder |
Since we seem to have completely lost perspective on the purpose of this thread I would like to say thanks to the privateer racers who field the "XB" and the "RR", I for one who race one on a limited basis enjoy the bike but also know it comes with its advantages and disadvantages. Am I slower than some? Yes am I faster than others yes. would I like more power and higher RPM sure but a friend of mine has a 235 HP Busa and he wants more power too so what. I ride with guys on the track that run 75hp sv650`s and they kick the shit out of GSXR 1000`s my point is this I bought my Buell because it is different and it does what I want it to do perfectly well.I am perfectly able to go fast enough to get killed on it and every time I ride it I get off of it grinning. As a 3 time cancer patient and a disabled veteran I dont waste much time riding or driving anything that is not reliable and or effective, I cant afford too. I could have bought any bike I wanted but I am a little funny about owning american made I wont own anything else,Yea Yea I know most of the parts are outsourced but it is the only game in town. If I wanted to be like everyone else I would bought a ricer.Buells are simple to maintain and look and run well, so I will stay with them do I have issues with corprate sure I despise H.D. as a corporation I think they have lost there soul and they defenitely dont give a crap about racing except some limited Drag racing but again I am a Vet so I am a bit funny about what I will buy and what I wont and I dont do Rice.So in closing to all of you who cannot recognize the time effort and work put into these limited but passionate efforts in the name of BMC such as Anthony Calligiary and his crew chief "Moose" and all the others (Henry Duga) doing this on a shoe string budget and give them there due, then I feel truly sorry for you as you are truly blind!!!!! Keith "Red" Plemons United States Army Special Weapons "Nuclear" Ret. ( I signed it so you would know who wrote it) Ps: Also I never saw the CEO of any of the other companies working on a bike for a customer in the pits. Eric does this and from what I hear from my fellow racers he calls racers himself to make sure they get what they need so as far as I am concerned the Man is as solid as it gets! (Message edited by jetbuilder on June 10, 2007) (Message edited by jetbuilder on June 10, 2007) | ||
| Court |
I don't have the time nor inclination to read all that but . . . well, I'd like to see my name on the thread too along with these racers. Buell is doing some amazing things for racers. Whereas a mega-corp may always think bottom line, Erik's history and ongoing lust for racing assure the Buell Racer that they always have a best friend at the top with Buell. How comforting to one of the folks racing a Honda to know that, not just the racing dept, but that the top dog of the corporation was genuinely concerned about them. Erik sees himself on each one of those Buell racers. Racing, like steroids, never leaves the blood stream. Congratulations to you guys and we're all eagerly awaiting Slaughter's next helmet choice!  Court | ||
| Rocketman |
All very noble coming from nonobjective self proclaimed Buell hat wearers. This thread hasn't lost the plot. On the contrary. It raises issues about Buells involvement, or lack of it, in racing. A typical example presents itself in your post.......... So in closing to all of you who cannot recognize the time effort and work put into these limited but passionate efforts in the name of BMC.... In the name of BMC? Buell hat wearers plagiarising privateer efforts are what this thread is all about. Rocket | ||
| Jimidan |
Point Number One: My sarcasm was used because somehow, I just don't believe you when you whine, "I am too far down the line to want to be part of the Buell thing", and "So it is with heavy heart, and wishing you well (thank you Tony), that I am putting the Buell up for sale. The comments here from the ivory tower have made my mind up for me." I think you were blowing smoke up our arses, if you know what I mean. I am not sure what your motivation was with making these statements, but I just cannot for the life of me see you rejecting such a large part of your life...how many hours do you spend on here a day, anyway? And your just going to stop? Not! Come on, fess up...you were just teasing all of those old one star duffers by telling them you were leaving, right? And you were just hoping that they would have come back with "Please don't sell your Buell and stop contributing all of those wonderful essays that we just love to hate." Don't hold your breath on that one...I have a sneaky feeling that most on here would rather say, "Good-bye, good riddance, and don't let the door hit you on your arse on the way out!" But that is just what old rednecked duffers do. Personally, I don't want to see you leave, but if it is what makes you happy... Point Number Two: The British Hell's Angel is considerably different animal than an American Hell's Angel...it is obviously a watered down, homogenized version of the original...kind of a Tony Blair version of Dubya. No self respecting American Hell's Angel would be caught dead on a Buell. Not one. Pink Floyd was right in 'The Final Cut'. jimidan (Message edited by jimidan on June 10, 2007) | ||
| Rocketman |
Jim, at what point did I say I was leaving? I love to write. I wanted to be a motoring journalist years ago. Tried and failed. I'm not that good a wordsmith. Some of my closest friend are motoring journalist. As for my Buell. The top two pleasures it gives me are riding it when it goes well, which it is and has been for the season so far, save one thing that really pisses me off. When I ride it pretty hard, it's puking oil. No way am I sorting this out during riding season. I'm sick to death of missing out at the time of year I should be enjoying riding the Buell, not forever fixing it. So if I ride it hard I have to run the risk of getting my back saturated, and I mean saturated, in Exxon Mobil's finest. The top end is staying firmly put until winter. The other pleasure I get from the Buell is the work I've put into it. There is little left that I want to change, but my heart is not in it so much at the moment. There is truth in my wanting to distance myself from the company. I can't objectively continue to criticise Buell for not building the bike of my dreams, therefore ragging on the bikes they do build, and feel at ease in conflict with those at the Buell sharp end, whilst I own a Buell. My attachment to Buell through my ownership of their motorcycle is something I've grown increasingly aware of because of my disappointment with the company. Building the Blast was an utter source of embarrassment. The XB was a step backward for me. The modular approach to rehashing the XB is nothing short of a kick in the bollocks. Especially so when we see what nearly every other manufacture has brought to market in the naked sports bike arena. Now we are told Buell are moving into the dirt bike market. I have no desire at my age to want a freekin dirt bike, and if I did it would be a cheap and cheerful 250 crosser I could launch off a large leap without fearing I just chucked a several thousand pound bike off a cliff. Are Buell the company for me? Not a chance. As far as I'm concerned, Erik Buell has his head up his proverbial, or Harley have got him well and truly by the balls, or both. As for HA. No self respecting American Hell's Angel would be caught dead on a Buell. The watered down, homogenized version of the original...kind of a Tony Blair version of Dubya, British HA you referred to, usually ride hard core custom bikes. Once upon a time they would have been nothing but Harleys, but not anymore. You only need to read AWOL or Back Street Heroes or several other British custom magazines, and you can often see what HA and other back patch wearing clubs are riding. The custom scene here is much more vibrant than building $100.000 plus metal artworks. 90% of what's built here is ridden. So what is HA riding Stateside? BAGGERS fer chrisakes. F*cking boring baggers. Read 'Buttons - The Making of a President' if you're in any doubt as to the Brit HA being a watered down version. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Can we please get back on track now? Rocket | ||
| Crusty |
I'm not that good a wordsmith We agree about something. | ||
| Anonymous |
Getting back on track would have happened a long time ago had you not shown up, Rocketman. It was a simple track, a short celebration of the efforts of Macadam motors. But uyou showed up to be an a**. You don't know the meaning of the word please, nor any of the requirements of respect and politeness, so don't pretend. JUst go away and we'll be back on track. Not a good wordsmith, not a very good thinker, not a very good much of anything. Go away, Rocket. We are so sick of your BS and self aggrandizement at the expense of others who truly have worked their asses off. You are a whining incompetent. Go away. The XB is a step backwards in your twisted world, but in virtually no one else's. It's sold a hell of a lot more motorcycles for Buell, moved our age demographis down 15 years, won Best Cornering bike of all time, been on the second row of the Daytona 200, moved our quality to the point where Motorrad apologizes for ever doubting us after 50,000km. We don't care about your opinion. You are a huge mouth with no brain behind it. Go away. BWB is populated to a huge extent by fun, intelligent people who love motorcycles. You fit none of the criteria. Go away. You get 1 star from virtually everybody but yourself, Trojan and Mark in Ireland. We don't like you we don't want you around. We'll be thrilled when you sell your Buell. We'll have a party when you stop posting. Go away. | ||
| Jackbequick |
I second the motion. Dispose of your Buell, check out of the BadWeb. You contribute nothing constructive here. I won't miss your inputs. Jack | ||
| Court |
>>>No self respecting American Hell's Angel would be caught dead on a Buell. That's an inaccurate statement. | ||
| Rocketman |
Such thoughtfulness indeed. Perhaps you could actually tell me which part of my comments are not true? It's sold a hell of a lot more motorcycles for Buell Obviously. Buell have only manufactured XB's during the past 5 years. Previous to that, Buell relied upon fools like me to market their poor quality product. Sadly the product was poor, which reflected on how much performance Buell dared to launch their new models with - until those first buyers had beta tested them for Buell. And still we wait for 'world beating performance'. Tell me anonymous, do you consider Buell could build a chassis around a 'real world performance' motorcycle without it falling to bits around an engine powerful enough to give 'real world performance'? moved our age demographis down 15 years Such is a blatant lie. Yes the XB perhaps appeals to a younger than previous Buell owner, but hey, we're all getting older. Me by 10 years since I bought my Buell. But your typical XB purchaser is not 15 years younger on average than those who bought tube frame Buells new some 10 years earlier (give or take five years) when they were of similar age to today's Buell buyers. Again this is a clear example of how Buell would have us believe a blatant lie. As usual I ask that you prove the average age of those buying XB's new is as young as you claim. Of course, you won't, because you can't. Best Cornering bike of all time It was an objective appraisal from one magazine. It was not set in stone by any stretch of the imagination. Great press though. been on the second row of the Daytona 200 But not the Daytona 200 where Superbikes once raced. More plagiarising trying to suggest an XB is on par with what once raced at the real Daytona 200. moved our quality to the point where Motorrad apologizes for ever doubting us after 50,000km. Don't make me laugh. Motorrad's only published in German. Sprechen Sie Deutsches BadWeBers? We don't care about your opinion. You are a huge mouth with no brain behind it. Go away. I'd question your ability to judge. And 'no'. Rocket | ||
| Court |
>>>Motorrad's only published in German. Sprechen Sie Deutsches BadWeBers? http://a1264.g.akamai.net/7/1264/1354/19b1369db77a be/www.buell.com/en_us/news_events/pdf/112406+Moto rrad_article_en.pdf | ||
| M1combat |
">>>No self respecting American Hell's Angel would be caught dead on a Buell. That's an inaccurate statement." +1 - Most of them won't buy a harley off a showroom floor though... (Message edited by M1Combat on June 10, 2007) | ||
| Blake |
"do you consider Buell could build a chassis around a 'real world performance' motorcycle without it falling to bits around an engine powerful enough to give 'real world performance'? " The stock chassis holds up fine under brutal racing conditions with 150+RWHP. Having scrutinized the frame, I have no doubt whatsoever--and this is my opinion as a professional structural/stress analyst--that Buell's XB frame can withstand anything any sportbike engine can dish out. Chassis performance and chassis integrity are two of Buell's strongest points; they always have been. You are woefully ignorant of such engineering and have never even ridden an XB. I suppose that maybe you imagine that the GSXR frames that tended to fracture are superior. Maybe the R6's which rupture their fuel tanks and burst into flames in an otherwise mild lowside crash are more to your fancy. Possibly you'd have prefered the new Honda Goldwing so you could practice your welding skills in an attempt to keep the frame from cracking in half as you cruised down the road. The truth is that you could take a sledge hammer to a Buell XB frame and still drive it home with no worries. It is without a doubt one of the most robust sporting motorcycle frames ever built, period. It's also the fuel tank. D'UH! You imagine that you are never wrong. You spout falsehoods and call others liars. You know everything about anything. You hate Buell, and you are offended by anything positive or congratulatory anyone might have to say concerning Buell motorcycles. I agree, you are a troll. If you want to rag on Buell motorcycles or the people at Buell or Buell Motorcycle Corporation in general, or call folks liars, you need to find a forum other than BadWeB to do so.  If you continue that miserableness here, you will lose posting privileges. This is 100% entirely your choice. | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
The XB frame/swing arm is an interesting point of debate. It's actually extremely exotic, made by Italians of impeccable heritage. If it had Bimota on the "tank" and a Japanese/Ducati motor I'm sure it would sell for at least a 50% premium price tag. I think it is easy to forget what Buell are doing as it is so "everyday" WRT the XB bikes. | ||
| Rocketman |
Having scrutinized the frame, I have no doubt whatsoever--and this is my opinion as a professional structural/stress analyst--that Buell's XB frame can withstand anything any sportbike engine can dish out. Chassis performance and chassis integrity are two of Buell's strongest points; they always have been. You are woefully ignorant of such engineering and have never even ridden an XB. Who mentioned frame? My use of the word 'chassis' might have been clearer had I said platform. Did you look at the Mottorad 50000km test posted on BadWeB yesterday? The current Buell platform is littered with component failure, and since that test was originally published quality has not much improved. See Matt Purdy's recent post on what his Buell customers are reporting. So no, I doubt Buell could build a reliable 'PLATFORM' around a 150 BHP motor. And you can forget racing as beta testing. The stresses there are but a few tough hard miles in duration. I'm talking out on the street where it counts. Longevity in use, exposure to weather, lack of any maintenance compared to a racing machine, less superior components to what is raced. That's where any motorcycle needs to hold up. So no, I don't believe Buell are in the same league as say BMW, Ducati, Japan etc. You might call it hatred. I call it facts based on my own findings. The evidence itself is prevalent on BadWeB. Yet I'm to be lambasted for being the only one daring to speak out about the unacceptable to any other than a Buell hat wearer, status of Buell motorcycles? As for calling someone a liar. You mean that anonymous troll yesterday? They lied - I said as much. The truth is there for all to see. Some democracy you got going there. Some freedom of speech you got going there. What's up Blake? Is genuine real world criticism too much for your sensibilities? Here's something. I will not cease to offer up criticism of Buell so if you feel like a good honest christian in calling my efforts anything other than what they are, pertinent facts and truths, in an effort to justify your impending actions, then go ahead, BAN ME you big baby. Rocket | ||
| Court |
>>>You might call it hatred It's not hatred. It's pure ignorance. Zealots soon loose their audience. Simple. | ||
| Jimidan |
Court sez: >>>No self respecting American Hell's Angel would be caught dead on a Buell. That's an inaccurate statement. Care to elaborate? In all my 56 years I have never seen anyone who was dressed in "club colors", whether they be of the HA variety, or some other badge wearing, black leather adorned, beer gutted, tattoo sporting, chaps flying, dew rag covered wannabe, (and I mean that in only the most respectful way, since this "look" is carefully polished and refined, often at great expense) riding a Buell of any model, tube framed or especially an XB. I have been around a lot of motorcycle events including extensive flat track races, and have been going to Bike Week in Daytona every year but one for the last ten, and if there were any of the aforementioned "bad bikers" riding Buells, I sure didn't see them. And this is surely no poor reflection on Buells...or Hells Angels or their wannabees. Maybe there is some guy in New York City who looks the part but rides a Buell, I don't know. With my many forays into NYC I have learned one thing for sure...you can see just about anything in that place. But that doesn't make him a self respecting Hell's Angel, does it? It sounds like what we have here is an anomaly, if such a critter exists. I will gladly accept photographic proof from anyone who has an instance where they have seen such a phenomena...and I am not talking about the English version either. I really can't even close my eyes and imagine such a sight, as it would be such an odd combination. It would be about as odd to see someone in Nicky Hayden replica leathers and helmet riding down Main Street on a rat bike panhead chopper...with Barbara Bush on the back wearing nothing but a thong. I mean, can you really close your eyes and get that image to come up. Hey, I got stoned and still couldn't do it!  Surely, I am not alone here. | ||
| Jimidan |
It appears that Rocket is treading water in Dyna territory... | ||
| Court |
>>>Care to elaborate? One of the best and most enthusiastic riders at the first Blue Groove in 1997 was a young man who was a Hells Angel from San Francisco. He was, in my mind, a true anomaly. Quiet, polite and an excellent rider. Destroyed many of my baseless assumptions. Court | ||
| Bison |
Blake What more do you need? He has given you the golden opportunity to let us be free of his bs. Please don't let your "friendship" blind your judgment. He will not be reasonable as all of his posts on this thread show. regards ref | ||
| Rocketman |
It appears that Rocket is treading water in Dyna territory... For whatever reason Dyna or anyone else isn't posting on BadWeB, that is down to them. To put the Buell critic, mild or fiercely so, into a single category and ban the persistent critic amongst them proves what? Their comments are valid? Before the kangaroo court bans me for Buell blasphemy, show me where I've trolled, lied, presented untruths? No one can because I don't speak with forked tongue. Now if you wish to ban me because I'm no longer a fan of the Buell marque, then go ahead. Booked the 910 test ride today. Will keep you posted on that one. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
It's not hatred. It's pure ignorance. I take it you mean I'm ignorant of the Buell brand because of comments I've made? I'll assume that's what you meant. I'm very much aware of what other motorcycle manufacturers bring to market. I'm as enthusiastic as the next about lots of bikes, no matter their brand. But you, you're a different kettle of fish. No matter what comes to market you always pick holes in it. Be it Japan, Ducati, KTM, MV, Moto C, Ficher. The list is endless. You seldom give credit where credit's due. At best you might offer up, what was it just this morning, [sic] "the 1098's a fine looking bike". Whatever comes out from elsewhere, either Buell have a hand in something better, or Erik Buell could have done it better according to you. Maybe he has. Maybe he could. But the Buell hat you wear exclusively, breeds ignorance on the Internet. Your kind of ignorance. It blinkers your view too. Such is good enough to establish your ignorance, not mine. As an ignorant to Buell type, let me ask you this seeing as you're the self proclaimed Buell guru. What would you consider the impact on the motorcycling world outside of the US if Buell threw in the towel today? Would anyone really care, save a few Buell fans? Would anyone really notice, save a few Buell fans? Truth is, that's the ignorance of it all, and not what I offer up as criticism on a forum where only Buell fans come in for a drink. You know, like my comments make a difference to the world of Buell. Right oh. What's up? Have my comments got Buell running scared or something? I should be so lucky! Rocket | ||
| Jackbequick |
No Sean, Simply stated, it is because of your continuing, persistent, and malicious distortion of the topics here and your foul mouthed and malicious slurs on anyone that does not agree with you. And then there are all the pitiful yaddah, yaddah, yaddah, and me!, me!, me!, stuff about what you are. You obviously don't get stroked enough anywhere in your life to make you feel good about yourself. Did it ever occur to you that your mouth may be the reason? You dump thousands of words on us spewing your dislike for things Buell, Harley-Davidson, and American. You have re-written the history The World and WW II in your mindless disjointed ramblings in response to passing remarks that you thought slighted or belittled Britain. Yet you slather us with rampage after rampage of your vision of the faults with the American motorcycle history and other things American. That simply does not make any sense. And your ego is simply beyond belief. "If Buell wished to appease my concerns you'd think they'd build a Buell to my liking, and name it in my honour." That is a pitiful plea for something. The crowd around you would probably thin noticeably if you ever said anything that silly aloud in group of knowledgeable motorcyclists. Your conclusion that, because you bought a S1, Buell would produce internationally competitive racing motorcycles is simply a stretch of your imagination. A delusion of the highest order. Especially since, as you have often said, it would require a complete and radical departure from the drive line that is, (1), the mainstay of their business, and, (2), one of the single biggest factors in the loyalty of Buell owners. If you are riding around on a S1 and wishing it had an I4 in it that might evolve to a Moto GP world beater, you have missed some clues. In fact you have missed the thing about Buells and H-D's that gender an undying love in the rest of us. And you want us to believe that you are a technical genius and you have not even solved the oil puking issues on your Buell? I'm thinking that you've done something silly to perpetuate it or simply failed to sip deeply enough at the font of knowledge here. Make sure you tell the new owner ab out the BadWeb, he can probably sort it out quickly with some help from this web site. And that is a love that is common here. We come here to share it and express it. It does not have to make sense to everyone. And we that are afflicted with a love for Buells do not have to suffer the continuing and intentionally pointed and hurtful jibes from people like you cheerfully. Tell us about the fleas on our dog. We can handle it. Do it occasionally and politely. And if you have the technical background and experience, do it with a eye towards reducing the population of fleas. But don't keep kicking our dogs. Go away. You will not be missed. Jack | ||
| Vagelis46 |
"Chassis performance and chassis integrity are two of Buell's strongest points; they always have been. " "The truth is that you could take a sledge hammer to a Buell XB frame and still drive it home with no worries. It is without a doubt one of the most robust sporting motorcycle frames ever built, period. It's also the fuel tank. D'UH! " 100% valid statements. I have experienced the strength of my XB12R chassis, when I crashed, highsiding. A similar crash would have a Jap frame simply bent. By my XB got away with no damage in the chassis. The material of the frame is super strong. I understand the HD & American bikers relationship, but I am a sportrider and I am just asking for a modern engine, that will allow the XB chassis to reach its full potential, and Buell to have in its moto range the best sportbike. |
