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Pwnzor
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Jaimec
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Was there actual contact between Zarco and Pedrosa? It looked like they both stood up their bikes and Dani was unfortunate enough to hit a wet patch.
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Was there actual contact between Zarco and Pedrosa?

Abso-freaking-lutely.

Marc was definitely out of pocket yesterday, but Rossi is a whiny bitch trying to act like "he is ruining the sport".

With ALL the dirty riding Rossi has done over the years, he has ZERO room to speak like that.
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Pwnzor
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OK, fair enough...

Funny is funny.
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Jaimec
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Just saw an interview where Marquez claims Rossi's crash was caused by "track conditions." I call BS. He had the EXACT SAME impact with Aleix Espargaro in the exact same turn earlier in the race.

Once is a mistake. TWICE in the same race? That's his damned STRATEGY and he's too chicken shit to just admit it.
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Marquez is a punk. It's a pattern. I hope someone hands him his ass in the paddock..and not in the bathroom this time.
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My opinion is Pedrosa caused his own crash by choosing to lay the power on instead of standing the bike up. That lean angle, those conditions. What did he think was going to happen? "Oh boy. Hope the electronics really work good this time?!??!!" He's lucky to walk away from that one with both collarbones in one piece.

That was a dick move from Zarco no doubt, but I am not sure if there was actual contact. If there was contact, the contact itself didn't cause Pedrosa's demise. It was Pedrosa's brainfart after. IMHO.

Anyway, I would not have wanted to be the Race Director yesterday.

And my final thought: If the riders HATE Argentina so much, I know a nice racetrack in NOrthern California that the riders LOVE....

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I thought the riders liked the track. It was getting there they didn't like
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Quite possibly the travel sucks too, but the commentators mentioned the track is not liked by most riders or something to that effect.

Another perk of Laguna Seca is they used to put right before the summer break so many choose to stay for a couple weeks and vacation in the States. Lots went to the Bay Area.

Anyhow, I believe the fans and riders alike love Laguna Seca. too bad the almighty dollar dicatated the iconic racetrack be skipped by GP. Oh the memories!
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Crusty
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I remember when all the GP riders except Kenny Roberts bitched about Laguna Seca. Spectators always loved it, as did photographers who took pictures of the string of riders flowing through the Corkscrew. Then again, riders also bitched about Indianapolis.

Isn't it funny that the rider who wins loves a track, but those behind him complain?
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Read a report of the Zarco/Pedrosa incident. Multiple camera angles revealed there was no contact between the two. Pedrosa just happened to get on to a wetter piece of tarmac than Zarco, the rear tire spun up and then he high-sided.

Argentina may be an interesting track but the logistics of getting there and back apparently absolutely SUCK. Qatar attracts less than 10,000 people. WHY are those events still on the calendar but Indianapolis, which routinely drew 90,000 per race weekend was taken off the calendar? Indianapolis out drew BOTH COTA and Laguna Seca (but Laguna Seca couldn't accommodate that many people even on its best days).

The problem with Laguna was the facility itself was too small to accommodate the entire MotoGP circus, which is why they never ran Moto2/Moto3 or 125/250 GP there. I think that was really the issue for DORNA.
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To me, Laguna is still the best track anywhere.

Qatar is bought and paid for by those guys in the white dresses.

Indy being off the calendar is just flat out retarded.
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Indy being off the calendar is just flat out retarded.

On that, I think we all can agree.
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Laguna drew over 150,000 fans in 2005. I am sure the number is lower the last few years GP ran there, but certainly well over 100,000. From memory I want to say 120K to 130K fans was the norm before they pulled the plug. It's not a fan attendance problem, it the fact they supposedly can't support the Moto2 and Moto3 classes.

Like Chaz said on a trackwalk one year during WSBK. "Laguna Seca is a proper racetrack." He said it with a kind of emotion that you know he was being real. I know it wasn't during a GP weekend, but that afternoon at Laguna Seca is a day I will never forget.
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Pwnzor
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I just got off the phone with the ticket office at Laguna Seca.

Maximum fan occupancy is 52,000. They can fit up to 10,000 more but they have to arrive by bus or other means.

I had thought it was closer to 70,000 but the young lady who spoke with her supervisor to confirm her numbers told me at the largest races, 52k specators is the magic number.
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We are talking about a full weekend's attendance, correct?

52,000 a day (plus 10,000 overflow) sounds about right on and it falls in line with the quote below regarding the '05 GP event.

"Of the new events, the return of the US GP at Laguna Seca was an overwhelming success with a total of 153,653 fans attending the event - and a consistent three-day split of 40,520 fans on Friday, 55,201 on Saturday and 57,932 on Sunday. Tickets for Saturday and Sunday were sold out in advance."

To compare to Indy:

"The three-day attendance figure for the 2015 Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix was 145,558, according to Dorna, in spite of a forecast calling for a significant chance of rain on Sunday.

Thatís the most spectators the event has drawn since 2009, when it attracted 146,680 fans over three days. In 2008, the eventís inaugural year, 174,052 spectators came through the gates."

However, I'll bet ALOT on money which track would get the nod if the riders were asked. Indy is not a "proper" racetrack. It's an oval with some curves on the infield. No comparison.

(Message edited by fresnobuell on April 10, 2018)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It occurred to me after I posted that you must have been referring to an entire weekend.

In any case, I had read somewhere that there were two reasons they dropped Laguna Seca from the GP calendar:

1) low capacity
2) not enough room for Moto2+3
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I heard no room for Moto 2/3. Just read a local news articlefrom when they announced the cancellation and the CEO of Laguna Seca stated an increase of $800,000 from Dorna & the fact the event had lost money for the prior 4 years...

I will read between the line and say if this is a true statement, that the event was close (enough) to breakeven the prior 4 years and the $800K increase in Dorna fees was the dealbreaker....so I will blame this firmly on Dorna.

The entity that runs Laguna is a non-profit organization so breakeven (or reasonable loss) was probably acceptable when looking at the big picture...ie hosting a world class event and the millions of dollars that went into the local economy.
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