G oog le BadWeB | Login/out | Topics | Search | Custodians | Register | Edit Profile


Buell Motorcycle Forum » Buell RACING & More » Racing - Bonneville, Land Speed Records » LSR's--who's going to Bonneville? » Archive through September 04, 2002 « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Davegess
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

s2 you are right, we worked a bit to get the belt without the logo. After all it was not a sporty. At the time the price was the same to the customer, don't know what may have happen since.

It tell you a bit about how much Buell has grown, in 95/96 it was a victory when we could get HD let us buy a belt without the logo on it, now they are doing fuel in the frame and perimiter brakes!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Blake
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LaFayette,
You are tempting membership in the BadWeB Hall of Shame. ;)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1995 S2 Belt - Front

1995 S2 Belt - Rear

Not sure if this helps, but here's a spare that mysteriously arrived in NYC
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

\image 1st dyno runs
Finally got S-2 on dyno for first baseline runs.Trans shifted like butter.Motor pulled strong all the way to rev limiter.Mr. Nallin seems to have nailed jetting.Am adding EGT probes next week and will finish dyno runs after that.Bodywork is supposed to be finished next week also.Might actually have a bike together soon.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You know it used to be easy to put a picture on this place,now I cannot find the nice buttons any more.What's up?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1st dyno runs
no tuning done at all-just like I got it from Nallin's.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Aaron
Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim, congrats!

Mind if I toss out a suggestion? Okay I will

See where your torque is peaking? The torque curve describes cylinder fill. You're getting your best cyl fill at about 4700rpm.

Horsepower is torque times rpm, so the higher in rpm you can move that torque peak, the more horsepower you get, it's a fact of physics. There are things you can do to move that torque peak to the right. When you do them, the horsepower will come up significantly.

To see what I'm talking about, take another look at my torque curve:



See the difference?

What places that torque peak is a cooperative effort between the cams and the exhaust system. When people talk of a "good marriage" between the cams and the pipes, this is what they're referring to, have both of them working at the same rpm.

I'm not saying you've got to change your cams ... I think there's a huge opportunity to raise your power significantly by just working on the exhaust system a little. My guess is that with your cams, the optimum point to put that torque peak will be around 5800-6000rpm.

Be aware that when you do this, you'll create a huge mid-range flat spot (blubber blubber). The exhaust shoves back during overlap a couple thousand rpm below where it's drawing, causing a reversion which makes the motor go rich. It can be fixed with a Zipper's "Thunderjet" kit (mine has one, although there's still some wavieness at 4200rpm), but it really doesn't matter for this kind of racing. You go through it once in first gear and never see it again.

Drag pipes work great for this. Short drag pipes in particular. Start at about 35" and cut'em down a little at a time, watching that torque curve. When you cease to get any more peak hp, and all you're doing is narrowing the powerband, stop.

If you want to do a step pipe and can talk Pammy or Wes into sharing the dimensions they specified for my pipes, it'll work even better.

Good luck!
AW
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Firemanjim
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,I have the stock race pipe/muffler on there right now.I had started on drag pipes and then switched bodywork so they did not fit any more.Any benefit to be gained running without the race muffler and just leaving race pipe open,perhaps with an extension pipe--don't know as I will have time to get 2nd set of pipes done?\
Any other tuning tips?So,I am guessing that on the salt its H/P thats going to get more speed,not torque----??
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Blake
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FMJ,
Anywhere you go in the universe, it's horsepower not torque that will get more speed. To get the higher HP, move the higher torque to the right. :)

That sure is a nice streetbike dyno curve though. One of the best I've seen. What cams are you running?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Aaron
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, what Blake said, hp is what matters. A race kit pipe? Okay, now that chart makes sense. Despite the name, that's a streetbike curve. There's a big opportunity for improvement if you can make yourself a drag pipe system. I buy pipe bends from these guys (in your neighborhood) as well as Zippers and then weld'em together.

Of the stock routed type pipes I've tested, the Force race pipe wins hands-down. You might at least try to score one of those. It still isn't as good as a well tuned set of drag pipes though.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ELF-LY SPEAKING. . . .

HOTEL ROOMS:

Well, ya'll went and did it. We "overflowed" the 33 rooms in our block at the Staleline Hotel.

For anyone who could not get rooms at the Stateline and wants to stay there with the Team, rooms are still available. Please contact Shannon Reed, Convention Sales Manager, directly at 801-776-0203 or on her mobile at 801-870-1491. She also has a toll free number at 1-888-217-3727.

I've found it easiest to contact her on her mobile phone. Just tell her that you are with Team Elves.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Stevep
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

To answer your question from the GDB, I will be glad to help in any manner required. I was hoping that when I got there I would find something to do other than stand around and get in people's way.

SteveP

P.S. I have travled with Rocket before and lived to tell about it.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fssnoc2501
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fellow Elves,

The sidecar project is coming along especially well.

sidecar with fender

Tank decals

Thanks goes to JB2 the decals look great. We are currently working on the trailer and getting it loaded and ready to go.

I am working on a Ache and Pains box donated by my employer. Will include Advil, Tylenol, Bandaides, extra ear plugs, etc.

Can't waite to get there,

Ray
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Pilot
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aussie Elf needs assistance.I will be arriving at SLC Sept 17 Delta airlines flight DL1675 at 1532 and departing SLC Sept24 Delta airlines flight DL1681 at 1855.The question is.Can I ask for assistance in getting to and from the EVENT OF THE YEAR BONNEVILLE.Thanks in advance Ross.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Aaron
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ross, we'll be passing through on Wednesday the 18th around 5-6ish, and then again in the opposite direction on the 23rd in the afternoon.You're more than welcome to ride with us if you can't find someone on your actual arrival and departure dates.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Roc
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court - Do you still have your Buell belt? Any chance you will bring it to Boneville with you? I think that is the only spare I don't have - I really don't think I will need it, but?

FMJ - If you are going crazy and have an empty feeling in your wallet I understand. If it helps I have a Force Streetfighter pipe on my S1 and you can borrow it.

Fssnoc2501 - NICE!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roc:

I'll pack the belt.

Ross:

Let me look at our plans. We'll have two vehicles.

Court
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Pilot
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Aaron & Court ,I will sit tight at the moment and let it all come together.If all else fails watch out for a low flying rent-a-rocket travelling on the correct side of the road.I planned the earlier and later dates for the reason of sleep or sight seeing whatever needs to happen and also not have to leave early and miss out on the fun.Thanks Ross.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Jssport
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is all else fails there are 3 transports available, State Line offers no shuttle service to/from SLC.

- Greyhound Bus (this sucks, lowest form of transportation did it last year) leaves 9:20am, 6:00pm, 10:00pm

- Casino Caravan, 800 876-5825, leaves everyday from SLC to Wendover 9:00 am

- Donna's Tour, 800 831-0749, leaves from SLC (855 NW N Temple) to Wendover 9:00 am and 6:15 pm, $10.00, she says you get about $20 worth of coupons, &.50 cash refund from a casino, drinks on shuttle, needs to know in advance)

Hopefully I'll be able to flag down some XL teammates as they pass through on the 18th, if not I'll take Donna's tour.

Jim S

"Can I ask for assistance in getting to and from the EVENT OF THE YEAR BONNEVILLE."
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Roc
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FMJ - There is currently a Force pipe on ebay, 2 days left at $102. I looked at this pipe maybe 6 months ago, a local dealer is selling it, and would have bought it if I wasn't locked into and waiting for the one I have now.

Court - thank you for bringing the belt. There is construction near my house and currently gravel on every corner - someone is not to MC friendly around here.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Pilot
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Jim S. I have eagerly volunteered to help Court when he arrives in SLC ,with pick ups loading etc and he has allowed a seat for me somewhere,he did not say where ,could have been with the freight,I will have to be wary.Thanks Ross.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Josh
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll be arriving in SLC Wed the 18th late (like 9?) and leaving late (I think) on Sunday if anyone needs a ride.

Josh
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Firemanjim
Posted on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody hear from Nallin Racing lately,I keep getting either the answering machine or the fax?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Long racing weekend methinks. Keep trying.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Firemanjim
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 03:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is schedule of Dyno Days at Aaron's and for World of Speed?Arriving when ,setting up on ? friday is tech and registration only?Racing sat,sun,and monday if needed?Checking into getting a couple of trades at work to head your way ,Aaron.Thanks,Jim H.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 06:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WORLD OF SPEED - 2002
GENERAL SCHEDULE


Monday 9/16/02 to Wednesday 9/18/02


Dawn to Dusk . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Course Preparation and Set-up

Thursday 9/19/02


7:00am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pits Open to Race Teams
8:00am to 6:00pm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Registration and Safety Inspection

Friday 9/20/02

7:00am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pits Open to Race Teams
8:00am to Completion . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Registration and Safety Inspection
9:00am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Drivers & Crew Members Meeting
9:30am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Rookie Driver Orientation
9:30am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Course Inspection by Race Teams
10:00am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Staging Line Opens
5:00pm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Staging Line Closes

Saturday 9/21/02 to Monday 9/23/02

7:00am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pits Open to Race Teams
8:00am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . Record Return Runs to Completion
9:00am or After Record Returns . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Staging Line Opens
5:00pm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Staging Line Closes

Any Record Qualification Return Runs on Monday 9/23/02 Will Be Done on Monday after a reasonable work time period by the crew.

130 Club Course vehicles (includes Barstools, Electrathon, Go Karts, ect.) will not run until Sat 9/20 (runs Sat. Sun. and Monday).

All race vehicles must be parked over a leak-proof ground cover when in pits.

All crew vehicles must have a CB Radio tuned to channel 1 or as directed.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 06:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To continue. . . .

The Team Elves Dyno Lab, it appears, runs pretty much 24/7 this time of the year. Folks will begin arriving in Berthoud the weekend before (if I recall correctly) for tuning.

The entire entourage from the Wilson Farm will set out to Bonneville on Wednesday. Aaron can fill in detail when he gets time. I'm sure you'd be welcome.

Woz, Jack and possibly one or two others will set sail in the bread truck (tarps were being cleaned and sorted yesterday) and arrive on Monday to assisit in Course Prep.

Woz is collecting 50 donated traffic cones today and during the course prep time he will cordon off 300' of pit space for TEAM ELVES and begin laying our the TEAM ELVES COMPOUND per plan (CAD .dwg file 9653.Rev4)

Preliminary work will include erection of the AMERICAN and TEAM ELVES flags to mark the compound to arriving neophytes.

On Wednesday, the wagon train departs Colorado and Vickie and I arrive in SLC. We will be greeted by Ross who will help unload cases of TEAM ELVES logistical support gear and get them into the motorhome and a Volvo Cross Country.

Then it's off to Costco to lay in the 2 page shopping list to supply the TEAM ELVES "round the clock-racer stomach fill" installation.

Not sure if this helps, but it'll give you an idea of the shape of the plan.

Court
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Peter
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's a neophyte?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Phillyblast
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Neophyte" would be me. I'm flying in to SLC the 18th, renting a car, and driving to Bonneville, and my flight doesn't leave until the AM on the 24th, so if anyone has that schedule and needs a ride from the airport, let me know.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TEAM ELVES UPDATE


1) Anyone still needing a room, the Statelin has assigned us more. Deadline is 09.13.02. If you need more info, drop a note to TEAMBUELLELVES@AOL.COM.

2) Anyone, arriving my vehicle, that has access to and can tote along a 40 cup coffee pot, let me know. I can bring one, but already have 200# of freight headed that way and would prefer not to be stared at carrying the Church's coffee urn on my lap. 40 cup or anything bigger than filling the "borrowed from the room" Mr. Coffee 83 times a day.

More to follow with countdown update starting on Friday night.

Court
« Previous Next »

Topics | Last Day | Tree View | Search | User List | Help/Instructions | Rules | Program Credits Administration