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Cupcake_mike
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2022 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The are knight design drop pegs. Maybe its just the angle of the pic, but it doesn't look like they even installed the decals straight...
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2022 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note that they did come up with a new mount for the pegs. The entire peg appears to be moved forward and down significantly. Note there is now a linkage in the shifting mechanism whereas the RX and SX have the shifter mounted directly to the shaft out of the transmission. Comparing the peg placement in the 2 photos immediately above, looks like the peg mount has been moved forward and downward maybe 2 inches each. The Knight pegs would drop your feet maybe another inch beyond that.

Judging from the width of the chicken strips on the rear tire, the new peg placement doesn't appear to have hurt cornering clearance too badly.
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Pushr0d
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Man, the mirrors look identical to the ones on my '08 Uly!

+1 on the oil cooler - that really needs to be relocated!

Nice enough - but $22K!?
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Damnut
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The one thing people keep doing, which I can't understand, is comparing this bike to the Uly.

IT IS NOT A ULY REPLACEMENT!!!

This is more of an upgraded S3T than a Uly. It is a touring bike, not an offroad bike.

I hate defending this ugly thing but wtf?

(Message edited by Damnut on March 15, 2022)
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Cupcake_mike
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if the foot controls relocation came from the black lightening prototype? I see a lot of it in this bike, but maybe i'm just inventing stuff in my head....

(Message edited by cupcake_mike on March 15, 2022)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The one thing people keep doing, which I can't understand, is comparing this bike to the Uly.

IT IS NOT A ULY REPLACEMENT!!!

This is more of an upgraded S3T than a Uly. It is a touring bike, not an offroad bike.


Note the tires they showed on this rendering at their website:

supertouring

They haven’t really said what it’s intended to be, but the rendering, which has been up for months, sure implied it would be comparable to a Uly, which isn’t really an off-road bike either.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would keep my Ulysses before I would take one of those 12 year old recycled Bullmatation for free.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not the 12 year old tech that bothers me. Not one bit. It's the poor execution of this design. Perhaps the final product will be better. I'd love to know what Erik's vision of the AX was...

That said, being without any motorcycle at the moment, I'd take one for free.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd love to know what Erik's vision of the AX was...

While there was an “1190AX” listed in some pre-production information that came out of EBR, the bike seems to have morphed into more of a middleweight, true dual sport adventure bike over the next few years. Some hints were dropped in a ~2015 Cycle World interview with an EBR project manager. He specifically said the AX would be an all-new design and would be a few years in the future.

Former Cycle World writer and Buell & EBR Platform Manager Steve Anderson has also made some comments that back that up. Apparently a middleweight street bike design was nearly complete when EBR folded. I presume the AX would have been a variant of that platform. I’d assume LAP acquired that design, but it seems doubtful they currently have the staff to go from paper to metal with that.

I sure would like to see it though…
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Tq_freak
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2022 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got to see it in person earlier this month.

Its....interesting.
The headlight design needs to be addressed.
The Buell Guys standing around made it clear and said it several times.
"THIS IS A WORKING PROTOTYPE" and stating that the headlights / front end are not the final iteration.

I went on the last Saturday of bike week so not sure if this was because they had just been made fun off all week on line or what.

With out the Amazon hard bags and the flea market windshield on it, it looked better but still needs work.

I always look for things that might be backwards compatible for my 1125CR.

I noticed that they have some nice rear set drop peg setup that might be easy to move over.

Same with the Pod/ Radiator design. That might be expensive but could be handy in the future if parts become an issue.

Here are some pictures I took.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwyXCextwwD8Y9pr6
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Echovictor
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2022 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those look like Knight Design drop pegs. I just bought a set for my recently acquired XB9R, and they look identical.

Later,
EV
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Glenn
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2022 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kickstand stiletto base is sure to cause a bunch of drops.
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Rdkingryder
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2022 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://pure-good-heroes.fandom.com/wiki/WALL-E
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2023 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently Buell went back to the drawing board. This pic of a revised Super Touring was released today:


st1190


It looks like a vast improvement over the original prototype.
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Pushr0d
Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, it looks like a 'new-tech' Ulysses, but even less capable of off-pavement activities.

Not keen on the upswept pipe outlets. Noise, and they'll fill up with rainwater, especially when the bike is on the sidestand.

Looks like the side fairings are designed to break the fall. (NOT!)

I'm guessing $23K with bags.
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i can see this being the equivalent of a Uly xt.... I like it. i would think to get it closer to a Uly and adv-ish, a few more inches of suspension, different exhaust, and replace the plastic radiator pods with a robust metal screen or frame that could take some abuse, and it might work.... other than too much hp for dirt....
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

THAT, is starting to look like something.

Although, the front fairing looks a little late-80s VFR-ish...and the bags have zero style for a sport-tour...but I like the overall.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2023 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I saw a facebook post on the Buell page that they will have this prototype in Daytona.

Buell SuperTouring 1190
Daytona. Bike week here we come!
Find us near the pavilion at Destination Daytona.

Pricing is set starting around $22K. Pre orders are already available.

Can anyone actually take this new buell seriously anymore? I have owned for quite a few years now, but the new buell is not the old buell, and longevity is always in quesiton.

Flame me if you like, but I would have a tough time buying from this boutique anymore.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2023 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like those bags. They look big enough to hold some gear. Sure, not very "sport-tourish", but functional.

Overall, a vast improvement over the first version.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2023 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This bike probably is a much better fit to the use seen by most Ulys. I like that this one looks like a ready-to-market product.
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Mnrider
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2023 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow looks great,I really would like to see them sell lots of bikes.
People still ask me if they still make Buells.
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Sprintex
Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2023 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe sport touring bikes are making a come back? Guzzi has the new V100 plus the ADV market seems to be down sizing.
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Heavy18
Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2023 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sprintex, do you really think the adventure market is shrinking? I don't have any statistics behind me but in my small world most the guys I know are buying adventure bikes - or have one in their stable. And I keep reading that the Pan Am has been a godsend in boosting Harley sales.

But again, I haven't seen any data and I am in the mountain states so the adventure market will always be strong here...
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Cvc
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2023 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if the headlights and front fairing and associated parts would work on an XB? I just bought an XT with the front smashed back to the forks so picture that on an 09 with the hepco & becker bags. I may contact the new Buell again they were reasonable price and shipping on a rotor and the updated hardware.
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Pushr0d
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2023 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CVC, there are used parts pretty regularly on eBay. I really doubt any new Buell/EBR/Buell Racing/whatever parts will fit the XB's.
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