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Greg_m
Posted on Monday, May 20, 2019 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey guys,

Had to manually maneuver the bike ('08 Uly) around a bit and noticed the gauges sweeping now and then. Key in my pocket. Any ideas? I'm only home for a few days before heading back to work so troubleshooting/repair time is very limited.

Thanks!
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 04:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Disconnect battery till you can work on it. Sounds like you are getting power from somewhere into the circuit.
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Etennuly
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 05:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check if happening only when turning the bars? Sounds like wiggle test time.
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Yan
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

does the trip odometer and the clock get reset? if so, it could be this - https://www.buellxb.com/forum/showthread.php?31329 -Odometer-Trip-meter-clock-weirdness&s=81ddb212b80 710b17c880130a01244de&p=361314&viewfull=1#post3613 14

(Message edited by Yan on May 21, 2019)
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Smorris
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yan knows. Usually an '06 problem, but if loom is not sliding through the plastic sleeve mounted to frame, that might be the cause of the wires breaking at or near the joint, or pulling loose within the cold joint
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Greg_m
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ton's of knowledge and experience on this board.

Trip and clock definately resetting so figured I'd get into the wires. The joint seemed ok but I redid it anyway. Must have wiggled the real culprit in the process because now the clock is always at 1:00 when I turn the key. Fuses are fine.

I've wiggled the black and the brown splices with no effect but I'm thinking the black wire splice at least will get redone.

Thanks for the great advice!
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try setting the clock now.
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Greg_m
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Goes right back to 1:00 after cycling the key.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

grrr
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Griffmeister
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That might be a good sign. If the clock resets to zero then itís losing memory power which would be unswitched. Might have been making contact with the switched wires briefly until it broke for good. The trick now is finding the failure point. Youíre in the right area, good luck.
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Smorris
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The tan wire group of wires is turn signals, the reds are power leads.
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Smorris
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Highly recommend redo of the ground wire group, grounded to steering head
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 06 had a hot-lead failure years ago. Wasn't to the ignition switch power, only to the gauges. Grounds were ok but I redid them while I was in there to be safe.
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Although the power wires could be the problem I know that when things get goofy it's usually the ground. That ground connection at the steering head was what my problem was. The wire was broke inside the insulation and I couldn't see it. I did the typical repair of combining all three wires to a heavy single wire that I coiled up and reattached to the steering head.

Off subject but to my point, I was on a trip with friends and we were in Gas City Saskatchewan at 102 degrees! My friends BMW went bonkers. He hit the left blinker and the right one went on. He hit the right blinker and the horn honked!! It was possessed! After a couple of phone calls it was determined the system grounded through the starter commutator. We had to remove the starter, disassemble it and using his wife's emery board we cleaned the commutator. All of this on the side of the road! It fixed the problem though! So goofy grounds are the devil himself!
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Smorris
Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

search "knowledge Vault" for "fixing earthing Problems", might be a bit over the top for some; not me.
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Greg_m
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2019 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've done the full meal deal on the grounds per that recipe. Went full out.

But back to the splices in the loom under the cable guard. Wasn't the black wires either. For now I can live without the clock and trip meter. No power is better than a short I figure and I've no more time to spend on it for a few weeks. And it's running well so...

Thanks all.
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Greg_m
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2019 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spoke too soon when I said it was running well. A couple of hours after I wrote that I watched the voltage start dropping. Then the engine light came on. Headed back.

I had been planning on doing a XB9 primary swap someday and had gathered up the parts. I had also gathered up a 3 phase stator and series regulator ( Cycle Electric stator and a SH847 VR from Jack at Roadstercycle).

Today was that day. Far from ideal timing for me but you can't change the weather. Low voltage problem cured and I'm liking the new gearing for now.

The clock and trip meter will have to wait. Along with fork seals, wheel bearing, etc.. No boredom on the horizon for this guy.
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Glenn
Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2019 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Greg,

Did you move the splices? The breaks are underneath the black covering. They look fine but are broken underneath.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=142838&post=1390093#POST1390093
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Greg_m
Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2019 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didn't move the splices Glenn (might do down the road) but both the red and black were in good shape. I had to work a bit to tear them apart. They're soldered now with no effect. I left the tan wire bundle alone. Smorris says that's for the signals.
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Greg_m
Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2019 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If anyone wants to see the three phase stator or series regulator install they can be found at 13:40 and 28:32 respectively in the video I just posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx0fYKRUEnk
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