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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just like the other thread, I have no idea what I would replace my Uly XT with.

This bike may have the most potential of any bike that I could get local warranty support. While it has it of course.

I can't get any support on Ducati, BMW, etc anywhere near home.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

H-D's new Touring bikes are going to have pretty full suite of electrons available so maybe they are moving into the 21st century. I don't recall the H-D specific acronyms, but Advanced ABS, Corning ABS, Traction control, Slide control, and brake lnking/unlinking are in the package.

Also note that Livewire has fully adjustable suspension front and rear.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just saw another quick clip at the dealer show on Facebook. Here is a link

The panamerica is at the 16 min mark
https://www.facebook.com/JLHarleyDavidson/videos/4 84424852114191/
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Shoggin
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could see adjustable suspension a worthwhile addition, ABS with an IMU would be a worthwhile upgrade to a Harley but I really couldn't see any point in the rest of the electronics?

Its just for sales brochures, but now everyone will have to bear the cost of all this 'R&D' when they buy a new H-D.

Its not even a matter of the bike. I just don't see the riders needing anything else?

Seriously, even traction control would hamper the front-tire-on-a-curb-parking-lot-burn-outs. And slide control?? I can't think enough Rossi wanna-bes will be backing their Street-glide into a chicane at 140mph

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Shoggin
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is the Barricade Orange tank on that Pan-America a tribute to the Uly? LOL. It will be $30K+ and discontinued in 3 years for lack of sales. But I think I'd buy one anyway.....; )

Adjustable suspension a worthwhile addition, ABS with an IMU would be a worthwhile upgrade as well, but I really couldn't see any point in the rest of the electronics?

Its not even a matter of the bike. I just don't see the riders needing anything else? Seriously, its not a shot at H-D.

Slide control?? I can't think enough Rossi wanna-bes will be backing their Street-glide into a chicane at 140mph. Might as well add wheelie control to the pointless list.

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Scottykrein
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's a decent write up and video.

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/366533/harley-d avidson-panamerica-prototype-spotted/amp/
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Traction control is handy on slippery and loose surfaces. Prevent wheel spin, or dial in just the amount that you want. Slide control can be similar, it's not for backing it in but for controlling bike rotation on exit. At least on an R1, slide control can be set to allow a maximum (or none) amount of rear wheel slide exiting turns without needing to stand the bike up or back off of the throttle. It's amazing in the rain. This could be very handy on loose surfaces. Combined braking control is nice too. Depending on the settings, if one tire is starting to slide and the other still has grip, brake pressure can be transferred as needed.

Whether this stuff will be useful will depend entirely on implementation.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Iíve seen some great photos of this bike. Iím not an Orange fan, but colors and prototypes change like my underwear.

It still has my attention, and i will be watching closely.





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Shoggin
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 03:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I totally agree Mark.

"Whether this stuff will be useful will depend entirely on implementation."

That ^^^ is my point.
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Pushr0d
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was just imagining what that bike would look like with an underneath pipe...

Hmmm. 2020 Ulysses, perhaps?

And, is it a chain-drive?
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sure looks like a chain. It's difficult to see but the guards look minimal and the axle adjustment slot is pretty apparent.
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Mnrider
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can see a chain in that last pic.It also looks to have built in crash bars.
I really like it,they'll have to keep the price around a GS and Ducati.
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Steveford
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tubeless is good along with the Brembos, it'll be interesting to see if it takes off or becomes yet another curio due to their inability to lure customers into the showrooms/unwillingness of the dealerships to embrace something so obviously foreign.
By foreign I mean no floorboards, tassles, ape hangers, conchos, etc.

(Message edited by SteveFord on August 23, 2019)
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Griffmeister
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Itís been so long since I paid much attention to spoked wheels that I just realized that they are edge mounted on the rims, obviously for tubeless tires, but I wonder if that affects anything in a good or bad way being so wide?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 06:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BMW and Yamaha and Honda have been doing it for years on their ADV bikes.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Link to video on RideApart

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/366533/harley-d avidson-panamerica-prototype-spotted/
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do like the controls on the left handlebar. Like directional keys on my remote control allowing me to toggle through menus! That's a step in the right direction as the new Suzuki Vstrom XT had that in the showroom today that I saw. And I don't want one of those damn things.

I have commented on every one of the facebook posts my local Harley dealer posted, let me know when I can order in Red or blue. Then we will determine if the freakin' crazy price will be worth replacing my Uly XT.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142838/856357.jpg

(Message edited by Blake on September 13, 2019)
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is a nice walk around from the dealer show!

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Biffdotorg
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duplicate post

(Message edited by biffdotorg on August 30, 2019)
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2cylinderbill
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When HD crushed Buell, I swore I'd never have another thing to do with HD. But if this PA is good, really good, I might have a look as a replacement for my Uly. If HD is listening... I need an option for a higher pillion as my wife is small and I am large. I'm sure they'll get right on that.
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Steveford
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They have some competition.
Triumph Scrambler, rumored 900 Triumph Tiger and new Moto Guzzi bike would have my attention if I was pretend dirt bike shopping. Ducati Multistrada always interested me, too.
All of those look pretty good and you don't have to put up with the 'tude at the dealership from the cruiser and bagger boys on both sides of the counter.
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Jon
Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2019 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Styling prototype".
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, September 13, 2019 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My dirt bike concerns are always power and weight. I don't need more than 25 hp for my type dirt riding. I do want a very light bike with over 5" of suspension. I'm just trying to honestly look at my needs-vs-wants. I won't be jumping MX hills. I would be doing trials style riding on concrete stair steps. I don't plan on climbing fence posts anymore.
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Steveford
Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Parts of that bike look great, parts of it look like it was designed by unemployed Horex employees from the 1950s.

I wonder what they're planning on doing for luggage? That gigantic muffler seems to rule out saddlebags unless the right hand one is the size of a pack of cigarettes.

Bet the seat brought a smile to the people at Corbin.

I'd say back to the drawing board.
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Figorvonbuellingham
Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Think Iíll keep my Vstrom.
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Sprintex
Posted on Monday, September 16, 2019 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They may have missed the boat mid size adventure bikes seems to be the coming trend.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would be 1000 times more likely to get a Himalayan that that porky thing.
I've been keeping an eye out for a cheap mid-sized dual purpose recently.

People out here are demanding absurd money for 20 year old dual purpose bikes.

Good thing I'm broke or I would be in trouble.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People out here are demanding absurd money for 20 year old dual purpose bikes.
Tell me about it.
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