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Griffmeister
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WAIT, pulling the starter, while not difficult, is time consuming and involves disturbing a bunch of stuff. Before you do that, just put a voltmeter on the hot lead and see what it says when you try to crank. If there’s no drop then check the signal lead to see if it has full voltage. Then you can be sure that the starter has to come out or not.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

great idea. I'm on it.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There should be a notable drop in voltage when the starter is turning, but not much below 10v. If a fully charged batter drops to 9v or less, something is wrong.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a lot you can do before removing it from the engine.

Two wires go to the starter (a third if you count grounding it on the case).

One enormous wire goes directly to the + on the battery and is always hot.
The smaller one is contolled by the Rube Golberg switch, relay crap.

Things you could try:

Unplug the smaller wire and connect it to a light and see if it goes on when you push the magic button.

If it does light up, then you know the issue is in the starter housing.
Before you rip it off the bike, you can take the solenoid cover off and see if it cranks if you jam the plunger in with a stick or a pencil. (may get hot!)

If your starter cranks when you mash it in by hand, you could fit one of these silly things to save some effort and money:
https://www.denniskirk.com/v-factor/solenoid-cover -with-starter-button-17758.p2009475.prd/2009475.sk u
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Honestly, I'm 90% sure the chinese starter I bought is the one with no O-ring. So instead of replacing the clutch for one with an O ring, this may be all the reason I need to buy another starter.

If it shows any signs of failure, it's time to replace it and stop the damn drip too.

As I said when I bought it, if it failed in two years, I could buy another and still be money ahead over the harley starter.

That being said, I have two years out of this one, and didn't want to replace it again, or have all the oil on my garage floor. GRR
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Griffmeister
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could push it outside and change it in the driveway.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2018 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's funny, but not my point. I can change oil, or change a starter without dripping oil on my floor.

I was saying I didn't want to replace it, but I also didn't want all the oil on my floor from the POS starter leaking oil out of my primary out onto the floor. So it's one or the other.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, those Ebay coupons got me again. I do love them (hate spending money)

I ordered an All Balls starter as recommended by others. Not cheap, but less than the Harley part. I saved $40 with the Ebay coupon!

Now I get to pull this badboy apart one more time. Just in time for winter. We had snow this past Saturday and more in the forecast
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ON my big twin harley I went through 2 Compufire starters and they were both junk. Made in USA junk. Very sad. I picked up an all balls and it spins like it has stock compression! Very good starter.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark what part number did you get for the 08 XT?
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PART # 80-1009 Was the part number listed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Balls-Black-1-4KW-Starter-Upgrade-Harley-1981-2017-Sportster-XL-Nighster-48/131955921686?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D24b4f1e0aec54e8bbb0b1981f4abe99a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D173564636415%26itm%3D131955921686&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Aa996e03e-c723-11e8-b162-74dbd180e38d%7Cparentrq%3A3a9d07e81660ab6483081bc4fff2cb6a%7Ciid%3A1

But honestly, the starter fits like almost every Harley model 2000 on up and every Sportster since 1993.

There are very few differences other than the Kw rating, and the coated finish.

The All Balls is supposed to have the correct O ring to keep oil in the primary and out of the starter. It is also supposed to have a machined face rather than cast face that mates up to the primary. Again it should eliminate leaks when using the proper gasket.

I should see it in a few days. But my riding season is over here. We have had snow coming down recently. But now it's just cold-ass rain.

(Message edited by biffdotorg on October 03, 2018)
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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AlpineStars Dry Star pants and jacket. It's just rain.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have alpine stars Gore Tex boots and my Buell Rain suit and Gore Tex gloves, that has worked for years. The heated grips work nicely as well.

All that being said, I'm a pussy and 35 degree rain, with a chance of turning to snow at any moment is not my idea of perfect riding weather.

And yes, I did ride it home on the Interstate in a couple inches of slush one time. White knuckles were not my only problem.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW, I got the All Balls starter in last week. That thing is a much nicer looking starter from the outside. It just feels more solid.

I'm sure that says nothing, but those chinese starts have all got to be refurbs by the condition of it when they arrive. The spray on dura liner crap has got to be just to hide the used appearance of them.
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