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Bfallon
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2018 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Question on 2007 Uly xb12x (1203-cc):
Is there a stock Harley starter kit that will work?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently, all of these starters are the same as the sportster starters.
I replaced mine with a chinese copy from amazon and it worked mint on my 2008.
The stock Denso starter from H-D was over $300 as I recall.
This is the one I got:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I13W4QQ/ref=o h_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
One thing I had to do was grind some clearance on the solenoid casting to make room for an oil line.

My stock 2008 starter was weak and pathetic since day one. I did finally die 2015 and that's when I replaced it. Cranks over like it should now.
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Bfallon
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, Natexlh1000. It is good to know the starter is so easily replaceable.
It's my first post to this forum. Very cool.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Easy is one way to put it. I did my 08 at the same time. I bought the Chinese one off Amazon and guess what, I have the unlucky oil leak now too.

Iím 99% sure that the starter is leaking the primary oil out on the engine as it is soaked back int here and dripping down on the muffler.

The Chinese starter is worth the gamble as it is 1/3 the price, and you may get one that wonít leak. And if you have to replace it, you are still money ahead. But I donít care to take mine apart again to fix it again.

It was a pain in the ass to get that starter in there. It just takes patience. I am honestly typing this from my garage as I hate the thought of pulling the primary open, and pulling that starter, just to put another back in there.

I prayed that it was the seal around the stator wire, just so that I could RTV it and not touch that damn starter. But oil is up on the starter leading to believe itís the issue.

Donít let me deter you from doing this, or hijack your thread. It was just odd coincidence that I am currently feeling the one pain of the Chinese starter.

Good luck
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make sure it's not rocker box oil leaking down.

My 2008 starter project was not without its issues.
The first clowns that mailed my my Chinese starter used a single layer of newspaper to protect it in the box.
Came shattered to shit. Returned it for full refund and went to vendor I posted above.
Then after installation of the good one, had to grind the solenoid cover with a dremel to get the solid lines to fit.
finally, I had a pretty bad leak from the back of the starter. I found a big grain of sand in the gasket that I neglected to clean off. (my own lazy fault!)

Previous to that, I tried to fix the original starter so I had it out several times. I got like two more months on the original starter when I trued up and cleaned the solenoid contacts.
Then the sprag clutch crapped out.

So I am pretty good at removing and reinstalling my starter now.
Practice makes perfect : )
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Shoggin
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's simply an issue of the starters front pinion bearing being sealed or not.

You can get the Chinese starter (even the higher kW one) and put the Harley sportster bearing in it for no leaks.

FYI, You can check it even before you install it, by taking off the nose cone and filling it with oil. If it leaks, get the right bearing, if not you're GTG!
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Uly_dude
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the extra input around starters. I ended up paying for the new one from St Paul HD. I'm hoping I never have to do this repair again. Bad design in having to take all this apart just to unbolt a starter. Oh well, part of the charm every spring!

I'll let you know how the repair goes after I'm finished. Greg
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





Need pics.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is a picture:

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Hope it helps.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, June 25, 2018 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I dropped into the local Harley dealer to pick up a bottle of Formula +, as I had all good intentions of pulling my primary cover and starter to check where this leak was coming from.

I assumed it was the starter, or the stator wire as those are the last two things I swapped. I got it in the driveway and gave it a good cleaning, so that I could see where the leak was coming from.

I let the bike set for a few days, and wouldn't you know it stopped dripping. Either that or it drained the fluids from the primary and there is nothing left to leak.

I guess I will check my fluid levels and assume it was from an over fill. I hate this crap.

Needless to say, this is not life or death leak. But it does make a guy go looking for his next replacement bike.

hmmm An FJR1300 with ABS might work.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Perhaps just a problem with the tranny breather tube. Packed in there tightly and very hard to see.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That was a theory as well.

I did get a check engine light, and checked the code. It was something to do with the fan. It went away.

Now this morning another CEL popped. It cleared before I had a chance to pull over.

GRRR.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2018 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It doesn't matter if the light goes out. The computer remembers the most recent error code.
My X1 threw me a code this morning on the way to work too. I just checked it by shorting those two pins and it said Intake Air Temp Sensor.

You know how to get the codes by shorting those two pins, right?
Any metal thing will work. I used a jack knife blade.

Here is link to a previous thread:
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/716271.html
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No, I understand how to read codes. What I meant was it went away quickly.

It has not come back, but my oil leak comes back almost daily. Grr (again)

I see I can order the starter clutch bearing with the proper O-ring for $69 on Ebay. I may have to get that and pull my starter.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 'starter leak' turned out to actually be the rear rocker box (as Nate suggested checking). Oil ran down and dripped from the lower exhaust stud. It was not easy to see. Yes, I did figure this out before doing an r&r on the starter.

Oil flings back onto the fan when riding. The extra crud sticking to the fan causes a fan code because the fan is not running right.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2018 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, Mark, mine was a fan code as well. This may be the case.

I will do some searching on the rocker box fix, but can you give me the cliff notes? Is this an engine rotation to fix? Full gasket set? Or some thing that can be done easily?

Thanks.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2018 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you can get to the rear if you take the airbox floor off.
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Shoggin
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2018 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engine rotation: (
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2018 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I get the feeling my Uly will be dripping slightly till I take delivery of my new Pan America 1250!!
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