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Gobadgers
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I picked up a staple at about 200 miles on Pirelli Scorpion Trail II's that were just mounted. It went into the wall of one of the tread grooves. A very small staple. The guys that mount my tires say they will not patch any tire. Is that the generally accepted path to put on a new tire?

Here is the staple:


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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I understand your post correctly, there is nothing to worry about as the staple was only in the meat of the tire treads and didn't puncture the carcass.
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Gobadgers
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy, I was losing about 3 lbs. of air a day. Where it went in and the smallness of the staple would seem like it was only in the meat of the tire, but it did puncture the carcass. (The staple went in just to the right of the arrow in picture below.)

BTW, on my other bike I put on the Angle GT's on your recommendation and like them.

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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well that sure is a problem. If you don't have any type of tire replacement warranty, you can easily plug it. You can get a plug kit from any car parts store
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Gobadgers
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know that there has been some concern expressed about plugs--possibly breaking a cord--but sounds like you are ok with it which makes me feel better.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had good luck with my "stop&go" plugger the one time I used it. It shoots those mushroom-shaped plugs.
I wasn't employed at the time and I really appreciated that the tire lasted about 3000 miles more.

Just be aware that the tire isn't as good as it should be and don't be a hero in the corners.
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Nillaice
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

plug it
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am an advocate of plugging as needed. For a hole that small I would rather put a patch on the inside, or even try a sealer first. IMHO Slime green stuff is underwhelming.

I have run plugs in a similar new tire puncture situation, nearly 10,000 miles without any issues.

The tire store folks are afraid of being sued so they will seldom ever help when they can just sell you a new tire. I'd bet your old one would go to a good home with a tire guy.
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Hugie03flhr
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Because it's so tiny, I would patch. A plug would do more damage to the bands as you force it through.
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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would patch it from the inside, AND while I was in there I'd put a patch on the inside of the tire on the opposite side for balance. Prior to removing the tire mark it and the rim to get them back together in the same spot.
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Motorfish
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had the same problem with a brand new Dunlop D616. I plugged it with an El Cheapo, sticky rope type, plug. I just took it off with over 10K on it, I believe. I totally forgot about the plug, never had a problem.
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a product out called "RideOn" and I use it in both of my tires. Works great! Google it and read about it!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Etennuly said. I'd start with slime and see if that stops the leak. If it didn't, I would remove the tire and patch from the inside.

The plugs (at least the sticky rope ones) will seal fine to get you home, but I don't like how much they tear up the tire going in.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I used the Slime or RideOn, I'd go to Farm And Fleet and pick up a syringe with the large needle. Inject the product in the hole with the needle.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gobadgers,
If this was my bike, I'd repair the puncture.
I've used Nealey plugs for several repairs.
http://www.tirerepairkit.com/whichkit.htm

My Ulysses never goes anywhere without their mini repair kit and a slime pump.
http://www.slime.com/us/products/auto/inflators/12 v-auto-/power-sport.php
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Arry
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's a tiny puncture. I agree with those that say a plug would do (a little) more damage. One of the "slime" type products would probably fix you up.
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Nillaice
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

tire slime makes it pretty nasty when it comes time to spoon on a new tire.
slimed tires are the ones you'll definitely want to pay the shop to change it for you
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Three times, right after I put on a new rear Scorpion Sync, I had a puncture. Each time I plugged it with the 'goopy rope' and each time I rode it until the wear bars. Now if the hole were in a sidewall, that would be a horse of a different color, but in your case, I'd run with it.
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wish they made a smaller plug, hole repair kit. It seems overkill to take such a tiny hole to blast it out to fit a gooey rope plug. I have done it successfully many times though. That is why I suggested what I did.

I hate that green Slime stuff. There are other brands that work better(can' recall the names). Slime has the best advertising campaign though. Maybe a small can of "Fix a Flat", I have had that stuff work.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"syringe with the large needle. Inject the product in the hole with the needle."

That's what I would do. Or inject some rubber cement in there. It's such a small opening, that the cement alone will likely stop the leak. To put a plug in there, you're going to have make the hole significantly larger. I'd try the least intrusive way first. It's not like it's going to explosively decompress if it leaks.
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Yo_barry
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2016 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you've got some good advice. One thing that worked good for me on a fairly new tire and very small puncture was "Fix A Flat." It's in an aerosol can that screws on to the valve stem. I did this on a Sportster and rode the tire to its normal end of life. It is important to let the tire tech know the tire has this.

The other thing I did once on a tire with about 200 miles and a small puncture was tube it. I don't recommend this as you lose the capability to plug the tire, DAHIK.

I think the inside patch is the best solution short of buying a new tire.

Barry
Hollister, CA
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Gobadgers
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks all. I used a syringe to inject a contact glue which held air overnight and after a short ride with no problems. Just to be sure, I did then use RideOn. I liked what I saw on this product--thanks for the suggestion. There were dyna beads in the tire so I had to break the bead and get those out first.

Did 200 miles yesterday on my favorite SW Wisconsin roads. The tire held up just fine. When Erik said think of the ride and then build the bike; the big Uly was built for these roads.


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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm sure you will test it by bringing it by the factory for Homecoming in the next few days : )
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