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Dr_gumpert
Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2015 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know the Ulysses is not made for hard offroading, but after this past weeks transpirings, I have the itching to go all out, and make the bike the best it can be for every situation.

What are some of your opinions in the best Adventure/long range tourings modifications?
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2015 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 bearing wheel, a fresh belt and a credit card with no balance on it.
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 04:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ride it!
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just rode it but later improved it.
XB9 Primary conversion for easier slow riding. Biggest improvement for off road that you can do. And then everything listed above!
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Before anything else I would recommend you ensure that the bike is working 100% correctly and examine ALL parts for damage/ wear and fix as needed. After which set controls, bars and suspension to how you like them. Next is to ride it around for a while in all conditions to get a feel for the engine, gearbox, brakes and handling.

The main things I (learned from my 06 bike) HAD TO DO on my 10 bike were 1) Add a little heavy oil to the forks as I find them a little soft. 2) HID or LED headlamps with the "two on" mod. 3) EBC HH pads both ends. 4) A adjustable clutch lever as the OEM one is way to wide for decent control. You can, as I did, mod the OEM one but a nice after market one is better. Oh and I have size 12/ XXL hands so no idea how some of you guys manage with clutch control.
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Phelan
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm with you mark, I have XXL hands as well and have always much prefered adjustable levers. I run ASVs because they have probably 100 incremental adjustments in their clicker wheel. Very finite precision can be tuned in their adjustment.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use a pair of ASVs myself. Not cheap but worth the money for me.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Plelan if your still there I have a question?
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Phelan
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sure what's up?
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have tried to find out about this issue before but with no success but you seem to know what you are talking about so I thought I would ask.

I had a 06 bike and it used to run EXTREMELY hot IE Like siting on a volcano. My 10 bike runs cool enough and much like any other bike. I just wondered what your 06 bike was like.
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Phelan
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are a multitude of things that could contribute it, are there any other symptoms? And do you have a head temp readout available to check it (like ECM Spy, for example). The OEM ECM programming doesn't turn the fan on until 210* C when running, so that could be the biggest factor. The later programming and DDDI3 bikes have the fan come on earlier.
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Dr_gumpert
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know if a buell race exhaust will also fit a 2008 ulysses, or just the 04-07?
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Phelan
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, it will fit.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi. I no longer have the bike so it is not an issue for me. I was only asking out of interest for the 06 bikes. Put it this way. If you start your own bike, from cold, how long does it take before, if ever, you are not able to touch the primary case without being burned. Or for that matter you can feel a HUGE amount heat from the engine from a foot or more away. The 10 bike has a "idle on overide" but even if you turn it off the bike never get as hot standing as my 06 bike did. Basically I am just trying to figure if it was a fault with the bike or normal for the year built.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A rotopax fuel tank on the triple tail would be one of the first additions after luggage for touring on the Uly. Use it as the "reserve - reserve".
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Phelan
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gotcha. It seems normal to me. Like I said, mostly because the fan doesn't come on until 210* C head temp when running. That's a lot of heat that is transferred to the rest of the bike. It's normal. Sportsters are the same way, except they don't have fans. They are more open so head temp only gets that hot when idling for extended periods of time, and/or stop and go in hot weather.
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doc, the stock exhaust is pretty heavy and was designed to be a bash plate and jacking point. For off road use you might want to leave it on.

Uly Man, my 06 ran really hot too until I richened it up with ECM SPY. Now it's more on par with my brother's 09 model. At 50 degrees the other day I rode ten miles on back roads and when I got home the fan didn't even come on after shut off. I believe the fact that the 06's ran hot and got better mileage is proof they were running too lean for an air cooled engine.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Ross. Good to hear from someone who knows what the hell they are talking about.

Put the beer (Wild Turkey for me) and lap dancers on my tab/ bill.
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Crempel
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it possible using ECM spy to change the fan on temperature setting on an 06. Mine is a toaster too. On medium temp days, say 60F, mine will knock under the right conditions, but the fan won't be running. Does anyone know what temp to set the fan on command to? I don't suppose you could really harm anything by going to far with it. What would be the downside to changing it to 180F for instance?
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Phelan
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The downside is you hear your fan more. On mine, I have it set to come on at 160*. You can only use paid ECM Spy to change the fan parameters, not freeware ECM Spy. Alternatively, you can use TuberPro RT, which is free, and a very powerful tool at that. I used TunerPro RT to change mine.
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Sagehawk
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have my fan come on at 195c. Key on setting. Stock as mentioned was like 220c. Datalogging shows sensor temp is like 6 minutes before I hit 180c. I'm set for cold start enrichment to go away at 160c. Just cause fan is running there are other conditions that could make motor run hot. We have to decide what temp the system has to have to function, what temp do we want, and what does a 1200cc ice motor want to do. All these bikes are in various stages of tune, ride differently, and are located all across the globe. I'm a happy camper at 70/75 and below. When I ride with a group and the speed jumps to 80/90, poor old um gets really hot. I'm not set up for that. I use oil on those days as well. I keep gleaning info from the board and try different things.
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Crempel
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will happily put up with the fan noise if the knocking would go away or at least be minimized, not to mention the other heat related issues. I'll get ahold of Arcticktm and see which version he has. Thanks
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Dr_gumpert
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone have a picture of the race exhaust on a uly?
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Crempel
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doc, one thing to keep in mind with most, if not all, of the non-stock exhaust systems is that you loose the ability to jack the bike on the muffler. I personally would never want to lose this. It sure makes many jobs like replacing tires, and as it turns out, wheel bearings, easier.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The buell race can has the same jack points as the stock can.
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Steveford
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Relocate the ECM, stick in Ferodo or EBC pads and fresh wheel bearings are my recommendations.
For pinging, make SURE the timing is spot on. Mine has never pinged in 93,000 miles.
Pic of Race muffler on Useless:



Those with sharp eyes will note it's nearly rusted in two! Replacement race muffler is sitting on the bench, ready for the big tear down which will commence once the snow hits...
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Dr_gumpert
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Ulysses only has 21,200 miles, but am hoping that it will last me till 100,000.
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Steveford
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I should mention that the side stand will hit the race muffler so I don't know if that's a big deal for you or not.
I'm sending the replacement out to Jet Hot for ceramic coating as the stock coating is pretty pathetic.
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Dr_gumpert
Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How loud is the race exhaust? How is it to tour with, and just daily riding? I ride with hearing protection every ride, so I am not so worried about my hearing I am just more worried at how much of a knob I might look... : )
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Steveford
Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2015 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It has a good sound to it, not like a Harley with straight pipes or V&H with the baffles removed.
Even with holes rusted in it it's not obnoxiously loud.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2015 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those race cans are getting harder to come by. I would be tempted to patch the rusty one.
It's mild steel, right?
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2015 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Natexlh1000

Those cans are good to repair!
but don't turn the amps to high when welding ,because its not really thick sheet metal.
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Steveford
Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2015 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The rusted race mufflers is being given to my buddy who bought my S2. He's a professional welder so he can patch it up for his Firebolt project.
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