| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
Sat on a red 1190SX at Dillon Rrother's Motorsports in Omaha, NE. Nice bike and fit me perfectly. They also had a white one right next to it. Sure hope that AX lives up to the potential I am sure EBR technical gurus are capable of. They need to break new ground with the AX. EBR should try to be the Tesla of the bike world in terms of doing things their own way. If the AX has that exhaust can of the RX/SX I will be very disappointed. I really like the design of ULY's muffler but the AX's should be SS, titanium, or carbon fiber. The RX/SX secondary muffler would really get in the way of hard bags. | ||
| Froggy |
I rode the SX and RX the other day, both bikes are awesome. They remind me of my 1125CR but with better handling. Comfort on them is fantastic. I didn't like the high bars on the SX, but the RX ergonomics are perfect, even bone stock it is way more comfortable than the Ulysses. The seat is way more comfortable than what came stock on the 1125s. Power felt fine, and despite being stuck behind a demo leader and having completely stock fueling it felt about on par with my piped and tuned 1125CR. Couldn't get to open it up to see how it feels in the upper end of the spectrum with things like the showerhead injectors and swirl induction.  Quick video of me playing around with the dashboard functions https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1FE9259064E0 EE5F%21107537 | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Froggy, Thanks. Is that underslung muffler plain steel? | ||
| Hughlysses |
I tested an SX back in July (in the NC twisties no less). I'd agree with Froggy's assessment of the fueling and engine behavior; it was noticeably better at low RPM than my stock 1125CR. I also noted that the suspension felt almost plush- not harsh like my CR and less "floaty" than my Uly. I'm going to wait and see what the AX turns out to be, but if it's too far towards the hard core adventure end of the adventure bike spectrum, the SX may be much closer to what I'm looking for from EBR. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I'd love to demo both those 1190 models especially the SX. I like a bike that I can do slow speed stuff like U-turns and the like and the SX looks as if it could do that easy enough. That is one thing that the ULY excels at, at least for me. (Message edited by electraglider_1997 on September 14, 2014) | ||
| Griffmeister |
Froggy, that must have been you at Big Boyz Toys on Wednesday then. They said someone came in on a red Uly with handlebars covered in electronics. I wish they could have done the weekend but I guess that was race day, at least I got to sit on them. Didn't mention that blue is custom paint from the factory, a limited edition. Just sitting there the bars on the SX felt better to me but I suppose actually riding could be a different story. BTW, did you trim the chin? The guy's there described you a little differently than last time. | ||
| Froggy |
I can't confirm first hand, but I assume it is to help keep costs down. I'll ask around
I don't have my 1125s setup harsh, but I did notice that it felt more soft like a Uly while still being firm and responsive when needed. Definitely a nice improvement over my bikes.
Personally I always found low speed stuff a chore on the Uly, but I don't have your tall stature. 1125s and 1190 feel basically identical. Riding the RX felt like I was on my 1125R in many aspects, it felt like the same bike overall, but that whir sound the chain tensioner makes when decelerating is cool.
Yep that was me, but I had my CR, then again all Buells look the same after a while Only 50 of the blue SX were made, I've been debating getting it for a few days now. I really want to pull the trigger, but I am having a hard time justifying the cost vs my CR.
My rabbi card was revoked, they figured out I was a fraud, they held me down and cut the beard off! | ||
| Simond |
I have been looking at the competition to the SX for a while now and am delighted with the EBR offering but............. it really beggars belief that they are still knocking out bikes with plain steel exhausts at this kind of price! This leaves the owner with the choice of an illegal aftermarket exhaust that has to be changed back to oe for every track day or riding around with a big lump of rust under their new and expensive bike. I don't want the thing that is "different in every sense" to be rust. | ||
| D_adams |
Yep, and it's 25.75 lb chunk under there. This one's off my RX, but it's the same unit. The majority of the weight is the underslung section, it's 19.5 lbs by itself as I recall.   | ||
| D_adams |
This was my answer to that 25.75 lbs.  Yeah, I know, it will probably void the warranty, at least until a tune is made available, etc. It's 8 lbs. | ||
| Buewulf |
"I don't want the thing that is "different in every sense" to be rust." Ha. Copy that. I bike in this price range should never have a case of rusty muff. That is a bit of a bummer, and it weighs quite a bit. So, D_Adams, is there anything legit about the "quarter-wave tuner" making more midrange, or is the lump just to meet noise regs? How does your bike feel compared to stock? I like the Blue on that SX. Looks sharp. | ||
| Rayycc1 |
That Yellow 1190 sounds SWEEEEET. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
It looked as if the wheel spoke casting quality has improved. Not perfect but I didn't see any glaring slag chunks on the minimal inspection I gave the wheels. Question is whether the RX/SX wheels are strong enough for AX duty. The ULY wheels were designed beefier than the rest of the XB model wheels. Let's hope the steering lock to lock is more generous than the SX/RX. Even though I have never found my 2006 a problem. Then again I never used my ULY as a trail bike where more lock to lock would be way more desirable. | ||
| Hughlysses |
That pic seems to make one reason for the secondary muffler on the RX and SX obvious: there is a whole lot less volume available in the underslung muffler than there was in the 1125 muffler. To make quiet power, you have got to have muffler volume. If it wouldn't fit under the engine, it had to go somewhere else. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
That secondary muffler sure would cut into the right side luggage volume. Of course Buell could always move the path of that secondary to exit under the rear light. Still hope they can make it all underslung somehow or other. | ||
| Tootal |
I agree EG. Under the rear fender is a good place. My Cagiva was set up that way and I really liked it.  | ||
| Hughlysses |
If they went with 2 secondary mufflers similar to the Cagiva, each could be half the volume, which would make them much less obtrusive. | ||
| Froggy |
Or possibly they could just have no secondary muffler. The secondary can is there for power more than emissions, it is likely the bike still can pass the sniffer and microphone with only one can. The RX comes up something like 94% below EPA permitted levels. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
If they are marketing it for touring and stuff, I would think they could detune it a teeny bit and go back to just the belly muffler. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I rarely rev my uly to even 5Krpms so I really don't need a bike that gives me huge hp/tq at 12K or more rpms. I'd rather the bike be tuned for normal highway use and not for track or bragging rights. Give me low end torque and the ability to cruise at 80 mph at 4k rpms. 60+ mpg at least. For bike owners to brag about 50 mpg in a day when cars can get 50+ mpg seems pretty lame. I actually have to think about trips I take with the wife in terms of economy. Should we both get in the car and get 52 mpg or use twice that amount of gas by each taking our own bike. Hard to believe that bikes aren't getting 100 mpg by now and I'm not counting scooters. I'm sure the bike manufacturers are trying but apparently not hard enough. | ||
| Xbimmer |
If it's not a belt or shaft (!) drive I won't even consider it. We're being told it's going to be a very different bike, I'm with those who don't need a simply detuned track ready bike with a fat seat. JMO. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Maybe the rear wheel will be coupled to the engine with a peristaltic pump  | ||
| Dr_greg |
I rarely rev my uly to even 5Krpms so I really don't need a bike that gives me huge hp/tq at 12K or more rpms. I'd rather the bike be tuned for normal highway use and not for track or bragging rights. Give me low end torque and the ability to cruise at 80 mph at 4k rpms. 60+ mpg at least. For bike owners to brag about 50 mpg in a day when cars can get 50+ mpg seems pretty lame...Hard to believe that bikes aren't getting 100 mpg by now and I'm not counting scooters. I'm sure the bike manufacturers are trying but apparently not hard enough. Not to derail the thread, but this bothers me a little as well. Although the aerodynamics of most motorcycles (and rider) are not good, and this is a BIG factor at highway speeds. Of course there ARE motorbikes that get the 100 mpg, but not many of us would enjoy riding them... --Doc | ||
| Buewulf |
"I would think they could detune it a teeny bit and go back to just the belly muffler." I'd have no issue whatsoever with a detuned engine, but I'd like to see the belly muffler scrapped altogether if the AX is going the way of a GS or KTM Adventure as it eats up too much ground clearance. If the AX turns out to be nothing more than a tall sport bike like the Uly or a Multistrada, then it hardly matters. For bike owners to brag about 50 mpg in a day when cars can get 50+ mpg seems pretty lame That has always bummed me a little, too. I am under no illusions that a 150hp engine mounted in something with the effective aerodynamics of a brick can get anywhere close to 100mpg, but fuel economy doesn't even seem to be on the radar of most makers. And I wouldn't expect them to start trying unless consumers or governments start demanding it. | ||
| Tootal |
Fuel economy on a bike has pretty much dead headed. My 95" geezerglide has a barn door fairing and carb yet running 60 mph it will get 48 mpg. Get it up to 75 mph and it drops to 40, which ain't bad considering. It's set up with better flowing heads and cams that produce torque at low rpm's which all help with mileage. Having any high end horsepower is out of the question so there is the compromise. The technology that gets 180 hp and 50 mpg is awesome stuff but as Dr. Greg said, aerodynamics are the big factor in mileage and bikes just aren't aerodynamic. Fuel, Elevation, Weather, Speed and Aerodynamics all play a role in mileage. | ||
| Mrakz83 |
It seems strange to me to put down a sport bike for only getting as good of fuel economy as a Nissan Sentra. I don't think that any car with the same power to weight ratio as a superbike would get 50 MPG... If we're concerned with gas mileage, we could all buy a 70 MPG Ninja 250, but what fun is that?! | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Given the choice between a bike that would give me 70mpg and go 120 mph and a bike that got 45mpg and go 180 mph I'd probably go for the 70mpg bike because I never go 120 mph let alone 180 mph. The further the bike goes on a gallon of gas means less worry about finding that next gas station in the middle of nowhere. Bike manufacturers would trip all over themselves trying to achieve better gas mileage if us bikers as a whole would quit being lured into buying the bikes based on hp and top speed braggadocio. | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
I think you could somewhat have both with a small displacement turbo-diesel engine. That is basically what cars like a VW TDI have done, smaller displacement for economy with boost for power. Streetfighter's 180+HP turbo XB12 is awesome, a bike like that would be great fun to build - http://streetfighterperformance.com/xb12-turbo/his tory But imagine a high tech injected 600cc V-twin gas or turbo diesel with around 100 hp on the top end. Cruise would yield the fuel economy of a smaller displacement bike with boosted power being equal to a stock 1200cc v-twin. That is where I think the EBR AX should be headed. | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
Harley has a new liquid cooled V-twin engine in 500cc and 750 cc. Hang a turbo on one of those. | ||
| Froggy |
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| Electraglider_1997 |
How loud is that mod compared to stock. | ||
| Johnshore |
sounds nice, a touch louder. http://youtu.be/olSyILrPBTk |
