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Dgrs2
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bringing home the new, older 06 uly yesterday, cruising along at 70 mpg when click. I thought it jumped out of gear. I'm clicking around and now I can't find fourth! WTF. Pull over to assess. No clue! I have another 200 miles to go before home. I sit and open up the clutch. Check it's setting put back together, still no 4-5 gear. Rode 200 miles with 1,2,3 gears doing a max of 55-60 with no issues. Anyone have any idea what the hell happened? What am I missing. Is this a simple fix?
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Rayycc1
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 01:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

bringing it home? Damn man...thats rough. I'm sure one of these guys have a clue ...you really don't hear much about transmission problems on these bikes..what ever it is...stick it out ....I;ve had a few bikes but never one that made me grin so much
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it was a tuber, I would wager that the shift detent thing had come loose off of the end of the shifter drum.
I'm not sure how the XB trannies are different.

If it is the same as the tuber's tranny, it's a cheap fix.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Problem is any transmission issue on a XB is expensive, simply due to the labor involved. Could be a $5 part, but to get the transmission out you need to split the engine cases.
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Dgrs2
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like it's going in for a tear down. Not a happy camper. The guy I bought it from won't contact me back.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can get to some parts of it without splitting cases, like the shifter pawl and detent, and drum pins. Could be that. Could be worse.

Bummer.
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Rayycc1
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seller won't contact.....
Sounds like he knew it was having problems...SOB. I can't stand a thief...which he obviously is.
I know it's frustrating...but see it thru...let us know what the problem is...we'll be here for moral support anyways :-)
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Dgrs2
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As long as I get it on the road again very soon. I have waited to get another Uly for two years and the 550 mile drive home made me remember why I love these bikes!
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Dgrs2
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll be reading the repair manual very closely this evening. If it's not a terrible tear down I'll handle it my self.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Somebody recently posted a "split the cases" thread with pictures. I think it was here.

It wasn't easy, but it didn't look as bad as I thought.

I've done it on dirtbikes. A lot of work but you just put aside time and do it carefully and methodically and next thing you know you are done. This would just be like that but with heavier parts.

But again, it might be the shifter pawl setup. Especially if it was lowsided on that side.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pull engine and complete teardown to get to trans, about 8 hours to get into it. Look at shift mechanism first
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Griffmeister
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cross your fingers and check the shift pawl and related hardware. I think most of it is hidden behind the clutch so there are some parts to remove but not that bad. If it's not that then you are in for a total tear down, yeah, 8 hours if you're an experienced Buell mechanic. If your not, then plan on spending a lot of time making special tools and trying to organize the tear down and rebuild so you don't screw up. Next realize that the local dealer won't stock much more than the filter, drain plug o ring and inspection cover gasket which means everything is a week away if not on backorder. Lastly, don't order parts late at night when you buy a piston ring "set" and your mind thinks "set" means engine complete and not cylinder complete. Needless to say, I just got my engine back in the frame this past weekend and running, but still have more to put on before it's road ready.
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Rayycc1
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This really bites. I'm sorry you're going thru this
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Dgrs2
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2014 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Something tells me it's the pawl. No horrible noises, and ran for 200 miles without a issue.
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Ourdee
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al at American Sport Bike may be able to get your parts and give good advice.
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Dgrs2
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is the latest update. Shift forks are trashed. They are made from brass not steel! One failed and trashed the gears. So there you have it. Bike will be back on the road next week. Should anything else be checked while torn down? It's a 2006 Uly.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd imagine there's a good reason for them to be made out of brass, but that sucks that they failed like that.

You might as well replace all the seals as well as piston rings and do a valve job while you've got it apart. Then it should be good for another ~100k miles.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are probably actually bronze, but yeah. They normally don't go, not that that helps you.

Definitely check the crank while you have it apart, check it *really* carefully. They can fail, and the big deal when they do is splitting the cases, which you have already done.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, and you rock for not whining, somebody with no integrity really screwed you over.

Karma always comes back around for sure (good for you, bad for them).
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Jesse_lackman
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What sort of clues would there be that the shifts forks are failing?
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check the bushings for the gears. Some of them may be brass. Certain types of gear oil, off of the top of my head I don't recall which, are not compatible with "yellow" metals. Brass and bronze are two such alloys.
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Motorfish
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would definitely check the crank and have it trued if needed.
At 17k my oil pump drive gear was eaten up, because the crank was not true to spec. I wound up getting a welded `08 crank from Dark Horse.
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Griffmeister
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just got my bike on the road this past week after a similar problem. You'd better inspect the entire transmission before reassembly. The forks do not trash themselves nor is it likely that they are the only component affected. I had to replace my 2/3 fork as well as the 2/3 sliding dog and third gear. Check the dogs that the forks ride in, I find it hard to believe that there's no wear on the mating surfaces. Also, check the edges and contact areas of the dogs as well as the sockets in the gears. If there is any wear or rounding of the edges then that is the cause of the fork wear as the gears are constantly trying to push themselves apart.
Spend the time and money to get it right now. The shear amount of labor involved in a complete tear down and rebuild for just a few stinking parts justifies what you may have to do to get it right. I'm pretty sure you don't want to have to take everything apart again in just a few thousand miles.
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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At this point I would definitely put the cylinders in torque plates and measure them for taper and out of round. If they are bad I would bite the bullet and get .005" over pistons, or whatever you need, and have them bored and honed properly. Getting this correct will insure a very long life for the engine.

I would also weigh the new and old pistons. Keeping them the same weight will keep the engine balanced.
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Dgrs2
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The shop is going over everything. Replacing many parts. Should be done Thursday! I'll be back on the road. The person I purchased from did send a check. Received it on Saturday. There are decent people in the world!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Very cool of the seller and the buyer. It's nice when everyone acts like a grown up.

That'll be a nice bike when you are done with it.
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Jesse_lackman
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did the seller know something was up with the transmission? If he didn't it's really impressive he gave you an extended warranty!
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Dgrs2
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The seller had no clue. Neither did I. It just happened.
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Jesse_lackman
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow!
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Dualsportdad
Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

very cool on the sellers part and on yours for not freaking out. i think i would have freaked out if i had just bought a bike and that happened.
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Dgrs2
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good news! The bike is back together and I pick it up tomorrow. I'll have a list of what was done to it. I have the price but you don't want to know that! So now I'll have a bike with 9500 miles and a brand new motor. I have to do the break in again according to the shop. I had them replace any and all wear items while the cases were apart. Pumped to get back on the Uly and ride.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You have a nice bike, just enjoy it!
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Dgrs2
Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 01:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

She's back and better then ever! How the hell do I post a pic?

(Message edited by dgrs2 on October 12, 2014)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 08:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ Badweb is not like most forums when it comes to posting photos; it's not difficult, just different.

Read directions here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/disc us.cgi?pg=formatting#images
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