| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
Buell had better get with the times. This Harley electric bike is a looker. Do a Google search on Harley Project_LiveWire. Can't seem to copy and paste a link here otherwise I would to make it easier. YouTube has videos also. | ||
| Dualsportdad |
http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/what-harley-da vidsons-first-electric-motorcycle-means-1592983608 /+jcondliffe?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_faceb ook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialf low | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
http://project.harley-davidson.com/en_US?version=d esktop&source_cd=Email_061714_061914&camp_id=16 | ||
| Buewulf |
I've seen pics. Best looking electric bike I've seen, and a very sharp-looking motorcycle regardless of propulsion - very uncruiserish by HD standards. If they put an ICE in it, I'd be tempted to have a closer look. | ||
| Kaikoura |
I have to wonder what EBR is thinking...Erik and Hero can't come up with this first? I don't know what I think at the moment myself..but is a very cool bike  | ||
| Reepicheep |
Looks are irrelevant if it's a $15,000 bike that performs like a KLR-250 and only has a 40 mile range. | ||
| Froggy |
Except they did. | ||
| Kaikoura |
Froggy..say what lol? | ||
| Blake |
Someone's not been paying attention. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/750/18017/Motorcycle -Article/Hero-Electric-Leap-Scooter---iON-Concept. aspx http://youtu.be/GW8tY9VBA2o | ||
| Kaikoura |
Asleep at the wheel thx | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I think ZERO and Brammo are way ahead of Buell when it comes to electric bikes. Harley has been working on that electric bike for 4 years. Unless EBR has an electric bike ready to go then please don't try to tell us they did it first. Either way, others have led the way on the electric bike front. The Hero scooter is a toe dipping. | ||
| Charlie_zulu |
http://motoczysz.com/motorcycles/e1pc_2012 These guys are on the cutting edge I'd say..Fine looking bike also.. (Message edited by Charlie_zulu on June 21, 2014) | ||
| Tootal |
It looks to me that Harley took it's design from the old Buell's. The rear suspension alone looks like an XB. | ||
| Big_island_rider |
At 130 mile range and 30 minutes to an hour to recharge I will pass. Hit 250 miles and 30 minutes to an hour or swappable battery packs, you have my attention. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
EBR may have helped design the HERO hybrid scooter but it is a HERO badged bike. When EBR designs an electric or hybrid bike with the EBR badge then I'll be impressed. I'm sure they a capable of it but do they have the cajones? Electric motored bikes are the future or maybe a hybrid for range but ICE will have to go away eventually and that is my hope at least. ICE is so mechanically complicated compared to electric. ICE is so filthy with the emissions and oil changes. | ||
| Uly_man |
"ICE is so filthy with the emissions and oil changes". What any less than the power stations using gas, coal, oil or even atomic power to produce electricity. Electric cars and bikes maybe but think on all the other stuff? They are NOTHING compared to what aircraft and shipping use in this world with regards C02 emissions. If you want to save the world plant a tree. | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
^^ LIKE ^^ | ||
| Reepicheep |
Electraglider, it isn't a matter of having cajones when the math still doesn't work. The cost / capacity balance just isn't there yet, and it's all about the battery, and nothing about the motor or motorcycle. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Lot easier to clean the emissions of a few sources like power plants than to do the same to millions of internal combustion engines. I've planted many trees and my yard is way different than most have and a wildlife haven. As for aircraft and shipping emissions, I cannot disagree but that certainly doesn't mean that the millions of cars, trucks, and bikes are off the hook. Wake up, because we are all complicit and need to do our part. Way to easy to lay it on others. | ||
| Froggy |
I called Erik this morning, he told me for an extra $40 I can special order my Leap with some EBR decals to stick on it. | ||
| Terrycoxusa |
First the made in India 750, and now a mockup of an electric motorbike. What is going on at HD? They must be worried about their current client base dying off. I just read a road test of an actual, in production, e-bike. Tested range of 44 miles at freeway speed. For $15k. | ||
| Froggy |
Indeed they are, but they are focusing on electric bikes, not gassers. Using the same argument, it can be said that EBR is ahead when it comes to gas bikes. EBR will have its own (non-Hero) pure electric eventually, but they can only do so much right now.
Harley likely would of had it out sooner if they didn't axe Buell and get rid of their best engineering staff. The Hero is more than a toe dipping, and shows that EBR/Hero is ahead on the electric front. A hybrid motorcycle is significantly harder to design and build than a pure electric and a gasoline, so given that the Leap gives you the benefits of electric with the range of gas means you get the best of both worlds. That said, the Leap is not the first hybrid scooter (I believe Piaggio has that title), but when the Leap gets here it will be the first one sold in the states. And speaking of toe dipping, that is exactly what Harley is doing with LiveWire. They built a couple dozen of these prototypes to test the waters and see what people think. They have not made any plans to actually sell it yet. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If platitudes, good intentions, and being lectured by "environmentalists" could power a vehicle, I'd never have to burn a drop of gas again. My only objection to electric vehicles is that they don't currently work for most of the circumstances where I need them. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
"They have not made any plans to actually sell it yet". Froggy, how would you know that? What Harley will or won't do is their secret but I really doubt they are just having fun. They've seen how the American auto manufacturers let themselves get way behind Toyota in hybrid car technology and that isn't going to happen with electric bikes. It's very hard to play catch up once another manufacturer has enticed away the market share. | ||
| Sprintex |
Maybe not to far down the road. https://vimeo.com/51873011 | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Carbon based supercapacitors? That's probably still 20+ years out. Might as well be Star Wars blasters & Wookies as applicable as it is to real life, right now. By the time we could use that in a car, our grandkids will be flying around in those nifty jet cars they were promising us in the '30's, and they'll be fretting about the price of jet fuel, and electric vehicles will be oddities in museums. (Is my sarcasm font on?) If HD doesn't have plans to sell these things, at least in limited markets, in small numbers in urban areas, they're stupid. The new Prius is exactly what this could be. The average person has never heard of Brammo or Zero or motoCzyse. Everyone's heard of HD. They don't work for most people in most places. But in DC? LA? New York? Why not? But knowing Harley? Froggy's probably right. | ||
| Dr_greg |
Re electric vehicles of all types. It drives me nuts when these are referred to as "zero emission vehicles." You're just moving the emission somewhere else. I wish there was more awareness of just how much energy it requires to move a vehicle around. Ever try to push a big bloated SUV? End of rant... --Doc | ||
| Froggy |
They flat out said it. This is just a take notes and gain intel experiment for now. If things go well, they will likey put it into production in a few years, once they figure out how to make it leak oil.
It is not a lie or anything, the vehicle is zero emission, it isn't like how half the stuff labeled organic or natural, isn't. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
True, no one said you HAVE to charge it off of the coal plant. You could have a solar array in your back yard. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Froggy, You need to watch these videos of HOG top execs and listen to what they say and then you'll see that they have every intention of selling these electric bikes. In the fist video link below go to 2:40 and listen to the CEO of Harley say, "over the next couple of years when we intend to launch this thing". http://www.bloomberg.com/video/harley-electric-bik e-aimed-at-urban-areas-ceo-says-Ro3_LTSkQTOMqyC5dA kv5Q.html?cmpid=yhoo Here is another Harley top dog. http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000286765&__ source=yahoo%7cheadline%7cquote%7cvideo%7c&par=yah oo (Message edited by electraglider_1997 on June 24, 2014) |
