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Rbuck53
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Want to keep this really simple. I am concerned about one thing...and one thing only...tread life. Under "normal" riding conditions what tires will give me the longest tread life on my Uly? Thx.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pirelli Angel GT

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Callawegian
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Avon Storms 7,000 miles out of rear tires. Double that for my front tires.
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Slash6
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Factory rear - 6,000 mi.
Factory front - 12,900 mi.
Shinko Raven rear - 9,412 mi.
Michelin PR2 rear - 9,346 mi.
Michelin PR2 front - 16,333 mi.

Now have Michelin PR 3s front and rear - they handle better throughout their life than the factory or Shinko did.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shinko Raven 009 went a little over 9000 miles on my '06 Ulysses.
There was probably a few hundred miles left in the center (freeway) tread on the rear.
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Fotoguzzi
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know a guy with an FJR and a car tire, 30,000 miles..
He said after the first 30 minutes he never noticed the squareness of the tire.. he's an Iron Butter so not all about twisties..
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Nillaice
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dark-sideing will yeild high mileage and tread life
But Your handling will suffer. More than it would with just shinko tires
the oem uly bars provide enough leverage, I can and have been getting by for the last 6 thousand miles or so and I'm just now getting down to the wear bars on it. I only paid $25 for it cuz it was a used car tire ; )
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Rbuck53
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it fair to say that 9000 mi with premium motorcycle tire on a bike = 60000 mi for a premium car tire mounted to a car?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PR2's (and presumably PR3's) were the best I found for long life without scary slip.

Haven't tried the Scorpion Trail's.

Scorpion Sync's don't last long.
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Michelin Pilot Road II. I can get over 10,000 on a rear, and I frequently run a load or so. Best yet was 11,200 on a rear.

I get about 14,000 on a front Pilot Road II, did the same with the factory Dunlop, but it was not good the last couple thousand.

I ran three Scorpion Syncs on the rear, the last rear only went 4,500, the best one hit 6,000. The factory Dunlop rear made 6,500 miles.

I have a Michelin Pilot road I on the rear now because when I needed a tire no one had the Road II in stock. It looks like it may make 6,000 or so, it is kind of flat in the center because I have been just using it for commuting the past year or so.
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Smac
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would have to agree with a few of the posts so far and say in my experience, the Michelin PR2 or PR3 is the best choice for a high-mileage tires. Also, the grip is amazing and allows deep lean angles. They due tend to be a little pricey, but fewer tire swaps help make up the difference.
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Teeps
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Etennuly,
How do you get 14k from a rear tire; do you ride down hill all the time? :-)

Worse mileage tire I tried was Continental Motion.
Got about 3300 miles.
The center (freeway tread) was worn to the wear bars.
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No no no.....I got 14,000 on a couple of front tires. My best on a rear was 11,200 on a Pilot Road II.
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Teeps
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oops! need to pay closer attention, sorry.
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Uly_man
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It depends on what you consider to be "normal" riding conditions. If you are talking a mix of town/ highway riding, as I do, and speeds of 50 to 80 mph I get 7500 on a rear PR2 at the wear bars. I could get 9000 easy but I like a "safe margin" on my rubber and they do start to "go off" at around 7000 miles. It is also not legal to do that here in the UK. Fronts I have no idea as I always change my tires in pairs.

I love PR2s and think that they suit this bike very well for road use. They heat up fast, great in wet or dry, great feed back and have even wear all through there useful life. I can NOT fault them in any way at all.

I was out tonight "roundabout" surfing? I am on the very edge of the rear tire and was doing it at 40 mph, which is 10 mph over the speed limit just for the normal road, and if on a nice smooth track I could have done it at 60 plus. This bike, once set up and working right, is just an outstanding road bike. And I have had many bikes, including some very exotic and expensive sports stuff, and NONE were as good as the Uly for fast road work.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shinko raven 009 is by far best bang for your buck tire out there. 9000-10000 miles, and mailed to your door for only $97.46 on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180-55ZR17-Shinko-009-Rave n-Radial-Rear-Tire-/331157170009?pt=Motorcycles_Pa rts_Accessories&hash=item4d1a816759&vxp=mtr#ht_989 wt_1027

Nilliace, what car tire are you using?
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Shagg1970
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saving money by using a car tire is a false economy. I personally know a guy who tried to mount a car tire on a bike rim and when he inflated it it exploded off the rim with enough force to lodge the wheel into the ceiling hitting him in the head on the way up tearing off the top of his skull and nearly killing him. He now has a plate in his head and a dent where bone is missing and is not mentally all there. Also even if you survive mounting it because no reputable shop will do it, a car tire is not designed to be leaned into corners and side loaded and will not handle properly so you are putting your life and maybe other peoples lives at risk. Is saving a couple hundred dollars worth a life or thousands of dollars In medical bills? You decide, but I would not want to be riding anywhere near you.
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Nillaice
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whisper,
It's a Yokohama s drive 205/45/17. Really close fit. I spaced off the inner rear belt guard ( the metal part) with one washer on each screw, But no other modification to the bike.

Shagg,
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I've heard if people doing similar with semi tires. I know I've blown up a few bicycle tires as a kid.
Darksiding has really worked out for me riding coast to coast and for commuting to/from work.
I'll let you know how it handles at Laguna seca later this year, as the uly (with ammo box saddle bags, high windshield highway pegs and car tire) is my track day horse. Just kidding
Darksiding isn't for everybody, but this is my bike and I don't let everybody ride it
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Pnw_uly
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 11:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

YMMV . . .
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/725928.html?1384234434
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Uly_man
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dark-siding sounds more like Death-siding?

"He said after the first 30 minutes he never noticed the squareness of the tire.. he's an Iron Butter". More like "butt head" if you ask me and NEEDS to lay off the "Colombian Marching Powder" or other.
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Buellhusker
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They now have the Michelin PR4 out to replace the PR3. They have it in two configuratons one for the road & one for off road. I sure would like to know how some of you get over 7,000 miles out of a rear tire without running on the cords.
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Uly_man
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I sure would like to know how some of you get over 7,000 miles out of a rear tire without running on the cords". So would the Lord God Mufftie. But then again he is a nut ball as well.
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I should have noted the mileage when I put on the Michelin RP3s but I didn't. However, that was a year and a half ago, and they're still going strong. I usually replaced the Synchs twice a year
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Mhevezi
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been riding for over 20 years and nothing got the mileage that my Pilot Roads did on my SV650s. I got over 10k and they looked great when I sold the bike. Good grip, never had a pucker moment and wears like iron. I had that bike revalved for me and installed a GSXR1000 shock in the rear- what a fun bike.

If I planned on keeping my XB12XT on the pavement 100% if the time, it would be on Michelin Pilot Road tires- no question.
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Griffmeister
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2014 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tire life can depend on road surface, too. I know that all I've used were Pirelli's, the original Strada's then replaced with the Angel's. I replace when the wear bars show and consistently get close to 8k each time.
Some people may consider a tire worn when the cords show which could explain higher mileage. I stick with the manufacturers recommendation which is when the bars start to show. Even at that, I could have gotten a few more miles the last time if I was going to stay close to home, but the bars started to show right before I wanted to get out for some longer rides. Almost every time, out of a group of 10 to 15 other riders, someone will post up after the ride that they arrived home with cords showing. Not for me.
I'd sure like to try PR3's sometime, but the cost, whew. I know, it balances out in the end, I just can't afford the beginning.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 on road surface and riding style. I can literally consume 1/3 of my tire life in a single weekend trying to chase the mythical Bantz, Prior, Houghton, or Breedlove through some NC mountain roads.
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Uly_man
Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny story? I was on a tour of North Spain some years ago and one day I thrashed my RF900 up to 150 mph for a few miles. The result was a BIG flat across the rear tire that you could have used a ruler on. I recon I cut the tires life by about 1000 miles and it totally ruined the handling after that as well.

Oh and I once fitted Corsa 3s to my 06 bike and they lasted only 2200 miles. No joke I could SEE them wearing out "day by day". Very scary and they were no better than PR2Ss either for handling.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't want to hijack this thread, but it relates to the great mileage I have gotten from the Pirelli Scorpion Trail.

Next to the Stock Stradas on my Uly XT, the Scorpion Trail has provided as good if not better mileage with better dirt trail performance.

When comparing mileage of that model tire, I wonder how many are running the more expensive "K" spec tire. What should they experience for that extra cash? More miles?

They list the K spec tire as dual compound, I thought all Scorpion Trails were dual compound?

Motorcycle Superstore lists my 180/55VR17 for $163

the 180/55ZR17 K-spec Dual Compound is $182

And they have a third 180/55ZR17 Dual Compound for $175

Thanks for the info
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Shagg1970
Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the duel compound scorpion trails, not sure if k or not, and I'm on vacation so can't check but I agree they seem to be lasting very well. I didn't record the mileage when they were installed but they have been on three seasons and still have good tread, wearing evenly with the front and not flat in the center, still round profile. I also like the way they handle, they warm up fast and stick like glue. I also don't have a high speed wobble through the handle bars above 100 mph that the bike had since new with all tires until these. I am very satisfied with them. I believe the k tire has a heavier weight rating, for touring bikes.
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yup, that is right

http://youtu.be/OV9hFJmR-6U

K spec tires are for higher weight/load rating.

The VR is the speed rating at 149mph. I can only assume the ZR is rated higher yet.

Thanks for the info
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Discochris
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Road surface makes a huge difference. I got over 7500 if I recall on the stock tires on the XT (stradas) and replaced them with another set. I was at cords in the middle of a trip at 4000 on the second set, mainly due to riding in 95 degree heat on really rough chip seal roads for most of the trip. I replaced with a set of Shinko's, but I ran over something and ruined the rear - I really didn't like the way they handled. Now I'm running Bridgestone BT023's and they still look new with 3000 on them.

As for the car tire on the rear thing, I wouldn't do it (and it's really not an option on the Uly that I know of), but I've known a number of serious LD Iron Butt riders that do it on FJR's and Goldwings. It's usually specifically when doing a very long rally, like the IBR, and not wanting to have to change tires mid-rally.
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was checking out the previously mentioned Pilot Road 4's on Revzilla and they had a good video giving a lot of info on the new tire. It seems there are 3 versions. A road, GT and trail. The first two have a hard compound in the middle with a medium on the sides. The PR3 was medium in the middle and soft on the sides. The difference between the road and the GT is the GT is a stiffer tire for heavier bikes. The Trail has the same tread pattern but uses a medium compound in the middle and a soft on the sides like the PR3's. So if you're looking for more mileage on the Uly I'd get the Road version. If you are going to hit the trail more often then the softer compound might help out on rocky terrain.
Here's the link to the video:

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/michelin-pilot- road-4-trail-tires
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Rbuck53
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tootal,
I was looking at listings for these tires on eBay as well as some of the other well known mc tire retail sellers and none of the advertisements state which category their PR4 tires are...Road, GT or Trail. Do you know if all three versions have been released?
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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2014 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No I don't. Revzilla seemed to know a lot about them so I assume they have them or they are just using the factory provided information. I'd send them an e-mail and ask. The Michelin site had them listed so again, I would assume they are out there. Maybe the folks on E-bay don't understand there are more than one model since they all look the same.
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