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99savage
Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gotten sound advice here so far, let's push our luck

Moderately conservative rider - About 95% 2 lane, boonie blacktop - 5% maintained, dirt and gravel roads

Took your advice last time & went Michelin, Road Pilot 2's
Pretty satisfied: solid on the blacktop, great in the rain, not horrible on gravel,not the mileage promised but better than previous tires.

Down to the wear bars on the rear tire.

What are you guys suggesting?
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Buewulf
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have Bridgestone BT-023's on mine right now.

Wear - I have about 2K on them right now, and they look fantastic. I am usually halfway through a rear at that mileage. It is hard to predict, but I may get 10K out of this one.

Handling - Surprisingly good on the edge: I've done a track day with them. Turn is is quick and intuitive, and they are super stable once set into the turn.

Dirt and gravel - I go down dirt and gravel roads all the time with them, and they behave just like most street tires will. The plus is that the carcass seems pretty thick. No issue with punctures on the gravel yet.

Rain - Excellent wet performance.

Ride - The tires are quiet. They seem to like a little more air in them to get the best out of the Uly's handling manners than other rubber I have had mounted. I don't if that is what gives them a slightly firmer ride or if it is the hard compound in the center of the tire, but I did notice a slight increase in ride stiffness from the D616s that were on there before.

I had originally intended to get some Pilot 3s mounted for a long trip I was planning, but my local CycleGear was out of them. So I got the BT-023s instead, which were a bit cheaper than the Michelins if I remember right, and I have been extremely happy with them. You may want to give them a shot.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm running PR3's. I've been running them about 2 years now. Mileage not as good as hoped; I initially preferred handling of OEM Pirelli Scorpion Syncs but I think I've gotten used to the PR's after ~15,000 miles. I've read the only difference in the PR2's and PR3's is the tread pattern; the PR3's are a little better at shedding water.

One thing I do NOT like about the PR3's (which I'm told is also common with PR2's) is the F/R wear rates. All other tires I've run up to now wore at the rate of 2 rears to 1 front. Shortly after installing the 2nd rear, I had to install a new front. So now I'm half way through a rear tire with a partly worn front, which means if I want to keep matched tires, I'll be buying another rear in a few thousand miles. In other words you're forced into buying 3 rears/2 fronts (vice 2 rears/1 front with most other tires) if you want to keep matched tires on the bike.

I plan on trying the Pirelli Scorpion Trails next go-round.
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Goldtooth
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have Pirelli Scorpion Trails now and am not totally impressed for the cost. Ok on gravel, good on the street but seemed to wear too fast . Going back to Dunlop D616. Cheap great in the rain for us PNW guys and pretty good off road.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My tire experience '06 Ulysses, for what it's worth:
Dunlop DD616
(OEM Tires) grip good to excellent on dry and wet roads.
mileage less than 6k

Shinko Raven 009
grip very good on dry; good on wet road.
mileage just under 10k

Bridgestone BT 023
(2 sets; got a smok'n deal) grip excellent to (am I Marc Marquez?) on both dry and wet roads.
mileage about 5500 (each set)

Continental Motion
grip very good to excellent on dry roads; never rode wet conditions on these... worst mileage of all
mileage 3300 miles

Back on Shinko Ravens 009.

For the way I ride (moderate conservative is good description) and local conditions (L.A. area) the Shinkos are the best bang for my buck
( < $180 delivered)
unless I could get BS 023's for the same price.

NOTE:
All of the above tire sets, except OEM, cost less than $200 delivered.
I mount and balance my own tires.

(Message edited by teeps on September 19, 2013)
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After running the Pirelli Scorp Sync and Scorp Trails, I went to RP3s. I liked the Pirellis but the rears only lasted 5K and I found that they were pretty prone to puncture, especially off road. I had to patch one that a sharp rock put a hole in. The RP3s seem to be lasting much longer, I find no difference on the handling (which may indicate what a crappy rider I am.) The ability of the RP3s to handle water is important to me since I moved to the Seattle area.

My one concern about the RP3s was as a pure street tire, they wouldn't handle as well on the gravel. And since I no longer live in Utah, I don't have the same access to that type of trail that I used to. However, another guy I know who rode a Uly before it got stolen went to RP3s and he claims the grip on gravel is just as good as the Pirellis....so there ya go.
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Dfishman
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Teeps...I just got 2000 miles out of the Conti Motions.The old Pirelli Diablo Strada was my best mileage tire so far....about 5000 miles.My favorite playground(SW Va)eats tires.
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Buewulf
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Shinko Raven 009
grip very good on dry; good on wet road.
mileage just under 10k"


Teeps,

How do you get 10k out of a Raven and just 5500 out of a BT-023? My rear 023 looks only to be about 20% worn @ 2K while I burned through a Raven in 4500 miles (squared off pretty quickly here in the flatlands).
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dfishman Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013
Teeps...I just got 2000 miles out of the Conti Motions.


WTH! That's just sad as these are supposed to be touring tires with hard center. Mine were down to the wear bars in the center, with plenty on the sides left.

The Shinkos were the opposite wear pattern, sides down to wear bars.

Buewulf,
I don't know as my riding is recreational. I ride the same roads, under the same conditions and my riding style has not changed in 30 years.
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Df3112
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Went back to the 616's. Had the shinko's which handles great in corners / rain/ but above 60 mph the bike hunted all over the road. tried different pressures and could'nt solve it. I would like to have better milage than the 616's produce. may try shinko's next year.
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Kublak
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just put on a set of the Michelin PR3's in June, all pavement, but the handling in the rain is superb.

Not enough miles to say anything on tread wear, but handling is confident with them.

Previously ran Pirelli Diablo Strada's and Angel's.

My .02
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Dave186
Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What do you guys think of the new Bridgestone T30? I have a friend that runs the 023 and has been waiting for this new T30.
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Uly_man
Posted on Friday, September 20, 2013 - 03:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"What are you guys suggesting?". I would stick with them if you like them.

Mileage on PR2s I get 7500 to the wear bars and I do not hang about on the bike. The rear starts at about 5mm and the bars are at 1.5mm. So you could get 10,000 out of them and still have 0.5mm left. I would not though.

I never got more than 5000 out of rubber on any bike I had before. I always change them in pairs even if there is tread left on the front. Just me though.

For the road I see no reason to change from PR2s. They heat up fast, wear evenly, good mileage, grip is great in the wet or dry and I run my rear to the very edge with no problems. I never balance them either. I love them and I think they suit the Uly very well.

I think punctures are bad luck and just the nature of bikes. Wear rates can be due to many things IE Heat, type, roads, loads etc.
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, September 20, 2013 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I also feel great about having the PR2's on my Uly. I run them until the wear bars and tread are still present, but about to be gone. I squeeze all I can get out of them and have seen 10,500 miles on a rear. I get about 12,000 on a front.

I do 'hang about' somewhat, and work the tires a bit on those kind of twisty days.

They handle better than the Syncs and D 616 tires that I have run and could never get more than 5000 miles on.

Got something great at a fair price.....I'm agreeing with the Ulyman.....why change? But then, I am running a pilot I right now.....the local stores were out of stock on the PR 2 and I had a flat worn tire that day.....
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