| Author | Message | ||
     Crempel |
Anyone had any experience with the Michelin PS3? (rear) I just used up an Avon UltraStorm II in less than 8k, which kinda surpised me a bit. I was hoping for 10k. thx | ||
| Pnw_uly |
13k on my PR3s, will probably get another 2k out of it before changing - - squared off but still decent tread left, I'm not easy on the throttle, either. I think the front could make 18k easy, but usually prefer to swap them as a set. . . YMMV | ||
| Thejosh |
Got them on right now, great in the rain, good wear, great overall grip. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I've got a set on my Uly now; my first rear tire lasted about 10,000 miles. I'm on the 2nd rear tire now. I've been fairly happy with them but they handle noticeably differently from the Pirelli Scorpion Syncs I'd always run previously. Mainly they seem to require more steering input to hold a line in the twisties. Other tires I've run seem to universally wear at the rate of 2 back tires to one front. The Michelins are more like 3 back tires to 2 fronts. If you don't want to mix tire brands, you'll be stuck with them for a while. I was considering going back to Pirellis, but my back PR3 is probably good for another 7500 miles; I'll install a new front PR3 that'll last 15,000, which means I'll have to buy one more back before the front wears out to keep matched tires on the bike. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I noticed that with the PR2'a also Hugh. The back is wonderful, lasting much longer than anything I tried but still sticking great. The front stick great, but wears a lot faster than I would have expected, not the 2:1 I normally get. Which is OK with me... fronts are cheaper and more important anyway. | ||
| Kublak |
Sounding off here with my 2 cents. Ordering a set of PR3's tomorrow, based on comments I've been reading they may be the best mileage all rounder. My problem is my 08 Uly XT has seen most of it's 25Kmi on the interstate doing the 50mi a day work trek. 80mph and sitting straight up. So I pulled in the garage this afternoon with cords visible on my 3rd set of Pirellis. So going to give the Michelins a shot. Have had good wear with Michelin Pilot Classics on my X1. If anyone has seen a good deal on a set let me know where. I tend to always replace as a set instead of the 2:1 that some can do. The "tar and chip" PA backroads take a toll all around. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I think you'll be happy with the PR3's for that kind of riding. I ordered my last one from Ron Ayers after much shopping around. I've ordered several sets of tires from them and a few parts for my older Honda and I've never had an issue. Looks like they have the PR3's on sale right now: http://www.ronayers.com/17-C12434.aspx Scroll down about 3/4 of the way on the page to see the PR3's. Be sure and check total prices with shipping when you're comparing; some places sell the tires cheap and then more than make up for it on shipping. | ||
| Kublak |
Thanks for the heads up Hugh. Asked my local guy to give me his best price in the morning. Been dealing with him over 3 bikes for 13 years and like to try to help him first, but internet is where it's at, no tax(for now)and free shipping. Just show up n have him make the swap. But he's more interested in good people n return business than a few extra bucks. This mechanic installed a catch can on his 99 X1 since he kept losing so much oil when it was on one wheel. Also just sold a Ninja X14 with extended swingarm and nitrous system when his shop got too busy to go the track. Slight adrenaline junkie? | ||
| Motorbike |
I just noticed the cords showing on my Pirelli Angel ST rear at 6188 miles. That's even worse than the stock Diablo Strada that I replaced at 7300 miles! I am considering the new Pirelli Angel GT. The problem is, they make a standard model and an "A" Spec. They both have dual compound tread for longer life. The "A" Spec has a 2 ply design for heavier touring bikes and is more expensive, of course. I rarely ride my XT two up or even heavily loaded. I don't think I really need the heavier tire for my type of riding. What do you think? I would guess the stiffer tire would cause a stiffer ride. Also, the best price I have found for the 180/55ZR-17 rear Angel GT standard is $192 plus $30 to mount, if I bring the rim in. The GT "A" Spec is $205 plus mounting. Any thoughts? Thank you. | ||
| Kublak |
I'd say I've have good fortune getting just 100 miles shy of 25K with 2 sets of Pirelli Diablo Stradas, with a set of the Angel ST's in between. With rider comments on performance and mileage it made my mind up to try the PR3's. Cost is comparable, but I also spend my time one up, unless taking one of my daughters for a local ride with a lunch stop. So if I'm averaging 8-9K before cords with horrible pavement in western PA, what are you folks dealing with for road surfaces in MN? | ||
| Griffmeister |
I just looked at the Michelin US website and it appears that now the PR3 is also available in a "B" spec as well as the PR2. I just put another Angel ST "E" spec on my bike because they are on clearance and the price is lower. When those are gone only the GT "A" spec will be available. I fully understand that people will run whatever they can afford that will fit and usually make it to the wear bars without issue. My point is not what you can get away with but what does the tire manufacturer recommend for your bike. If you only use the bags to carry rain gear and marshmallows and always ride solo then put on anything. If you will carry a passenger or load the bags to capacity even once, then you should use the "A","B","E" spec tire because it is designed for that purpose. That's like saying that I can't swim, but I'm only going to jump in the deep end once. It just may happen that it will be the first and last time. Just my opinion. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I have a friend that had a BMW oil head sport tourer a few years ago. He purchased PR2's at the time for a trip to Alaska and back and I pointed out the available heavier construction rear tire to him. IIRC, he called Michelin and they told him unless he was riding 2 up with heavy luggage on a regular basis, there was no point in spending the extra for the heavier construction tire. Michelin is usually very good about responding to inquiries very quickly if you want to e-mail or call yourself. | ||
| Motorbike |
I looked at the Pirelli website today and clicked on 'Tire Fitment'. I entered the info for my bike (I have an 08 XT but they only listed the '09 and '10 XT). Believe it or not, it came back stating, 'Sorry, no tyre available for your bike'. What the heck?! I went ahead and ordered the standard duty Angel GT. I was a little concerned that the "A" Spec would be harder to mount and would ride stiffer, unless fully loaded. Another concern is that the heavier tire might not grip as well unless it had a lot of weight on it. Price for the "A" Spec was only $15 more so that really wasn't an issue since I am already paying around $200 for the tire, plus $30 to mount and balance. Thanks. | ||
| Kublak |
By the end of the week I'll have Michelin PR3's on the Uly and see how they do. My local shop was able to order a set for $7 over the best I found online. So I'll be putting on a backpack and riding the X1 to work this week until I get the Uly back on the road. Thanks for all the feedback guys. Invaluable to get real world opinions here. You know it's from other riders, not 'feedback' on a retailers website, and who knows if it's legit. | ||
| Hughlysses |
If anyone's interested, Pirelli just announced a pretty cool promo. Buy a rear Pirelli Angel GT and get a free front for $25 shipping: http://www.getpirelli.com/agt/ | ||
| Buellerxt |
Thanks, Hugh!  | ||
| Motorbike |
Hughlysses, you just did me a huge favor. Thank you! I am picking up my new Angel GT Rear tonight and have submitted the application for the free front. If anyone else is interested, please keep in mind that they started with 250 free fronts on Saturday and they are down to 191 right now. When they're gone, they're gone. Now, next problem, I just recently installed a new Angel ST on the front and it has less than 1,000 miles on it. Works perfectly. I am tempted to change this out to the new Angel GT so my tires match but my brain tells me this would be a stupid waste of money. Plus, I don't want to pay my local dealer $39.95 to mount and balance on a rim that I carry in to them. I am not a racer. I just ride fast occasionally and probably would never be able to tell the difference between the ST and the GT. I think I will just hang onto the new GT front until I change the rear again. But then again, there's always the chance the GT rear will be discontinued by then, who knows? Thanks again, Hugh. You guys are great! | ||
| Uly_man |
I never got more than 5k miles with rubber on my past bikes. The Uly always does 50% more and had 7800 on the OEM scorps I have just changed out. And that was with them only just on the wear bars. And on the wear bars, which is 2mm I think, is when you should change them out. Bald tires????? | ||
| Britchri10 |
I'd agree re: wear bars in the UK. In Florida you can ride them until there's almost nothing left in the middle.  I've got c7K miles on a set of Sync's & they're not at the wear bars yet. However, they are beginning to feel a little squared off. I have a set of PR2's waiting in the garage (along with a 2010 rear wheel) | ||
| Uly_man |
"However, they are beginning to feel a little squared off." Yes mine had "gone off" a bit at about 7k but nothing that was a problem. I ride my Uly like a sports bike which it is, more or less, what it is based on. With most sports bikes you are lucky to get 3k miles before they start to square off and ruin the handling but still have lots of tread left. Now I know that is something that many do not think is great but for me it was a "wonder" to behold. On my first Uly I thought it had been fitted with some sort of "special rubber" that had been developed only for the Uly. With my old bikes I could see wear from week to week. With the Uly I had to use a tire gauge to monitor the wear. I even said this to a friend once who said that I was just an "out and out" liar about this. | ||
| Buellerxt |
I called Pirelli and they told me the A-Spec is recommended for the Uly. I went with it. Thanks again, Hugh. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Glad to help, Mike. Now, if I could just find a deal on a front PR3, I'd be set too. | ||
| Motorbike |
I now have the new Angel GT rear mounted but have not had time to reinstall on the bike. As stated earlier. I went with the standard version, not the A-Spec. Buellerxt, please keep us informed of anything you like or dislike about the A Spec. My tires never last long anyway so I might run the A Spec next time, if it is still available, just to compare mileage, ride and handling between the standard and the A Spec. I think the rubber compound is the same on each but I'm not sure on that. The tire that I just took off was an Angel ST standard model, not E Spec. I never had any trouble with the durability of the carcass of the tire, even with the occasional passenger or bags loaded. The tread just wore out very quickly, otherwise it was fine. Here's what it looked like at 6188 miles:  (Message edited by motorbike on June 19, 2013) | ||
| Buellerxt |
Will do, Motorbike. I have a Pilot Road III on the rear now and it seems to be wearing well. I too had a 'regular' Angel ST on my rear last year on my Sturgis trip and 500 miles from home, at about 8,000 miles, I believe, it looked similar to yours. I'm hoping the independent tests are correct and the GT is much better. | ||
| Skifastbadly |
I have PR3s and they're great if you stay on the tarmac, I have a bit less confidence in them on fire roads. I live in the Seattle area and when I got stopped by a motorcycle cop the conversation went from how fast I was going to how great the PR3s were in the rain.... | ||
| Motorbike |
Hey Buellerxt, I checked the load rating on my new Angel GT rear standard when I ran home at lunchtime. It says "Max Load 805 lbs @ 42 PSI." Just out of curiosity, can you check your A-Spec and let me know what that one is rated at? I wonder if the stock Pirelli Diablo Strada was a heavy duty (Letter)-Spec? Yeah, I know, I'm just trying to justify why I did not buy the A-Spec. Probably mostly because I'm cheap.  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Apparently Pirelli's already given away all their free front tires. If you didn't get one already, sorry, too late. | ||
| Buellerxt |
Motorbike, I'm sure the non A-spec Angel GT is a great tire. I went with the A-Spec because Pirelli had the XB12XT on their list of bikes they recommended get the A-Spec and because the 2-ply reinforced carcass sounded good to me. The small premium in price seemed worth it to me but from everything I've read I'm sure they are both great tires. I ordered mine from my dealer so I don't have it yet. I won't need it for some time. I got confirmation on my front though!!! | ||
| Motorbike |
I have my confirmation on the free front as well. I'm glad I didn't hesitate. Those 250 tires sure went fast! | ||
| Motorbike |
I just received an email that Pirelli is now paying the $25 shipping charge as well so my Angel GT front is absolutely free, delivered to my door. Thanks again Hughlysses! |
