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Nateba
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just picked up an '08 Uly. I've put about 300 miles on it in a few days and it's been great.

The only quirk I've found is while riding slower, tight corners the bike seems to corner wide. I have the bike adjusted to Buell's recommended suspension settings and everything feels good otherwise.

Is this a typical thing, or is it in my head?

Do I need to tweak the suspension, or is it typical to have to muscle the bars a bit?
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Fubar
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have found that this bike responds well to either weight shifting (butt steering) or counter-steering (pushing on the bar to the side you want to go). No issue with steering wide if you do either.

(Message edited by fubar on October 21, 2012)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What tires are on the bike? The tire profile can make a big difference in how the bike reacts like this.
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Nateba
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe the bike still has the stock tires - Pirelli Scorpion Syncs. The handling is overall great, I just noticed this tendency to go wide on slower speed countersteering.
I'm coming from a TL1000s, which handled like an 18-wheeler with handlebars, and which needed to be muscled into turns.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm kinda thinking something might be up with your tires too.
My 2008 is nice and nimble.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Syncs aren't known for running wide. If they're noticeably worn, that could be part of it. My guess is the most likely thing is it's just a very different handling bike from your TL1000. Get some miles under your belt and see if it still feels weird.

(Message edited by Hughlysses on October 21, 2012)
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Ulyscol
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My vote is your front tire profile is worn. No matter what brand tire I run when the front profile goes the bike corners poorly especially at lower speeds.
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Jetranger_2000
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

had the same issue until I checked the tire pressure. Was really low in front and low in the rear. It seemed to help me a bunch
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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm just going to state the obvious and say check your tire pressure. I've noticed that the Uly notices low pressure by steering wide. Just a couple of pounds make a difference.
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Buellhusker
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The more you lean it over the tighter it will turn, and you have a lot of lean angle to play with on the Uly.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to push harder and harder as the tires wear.
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Nateba
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for all the input, folks.
The tire pressure checked out. The tires are older, but have plenty of tread left. I took it for a decent ride today and tried to focus on my handling input and getting my old bike's handling out of my head.
I'm getting the hang of it. Might invest in some new tires just for the hell of it.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get a toothbrush if you get new tires.
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Jomartijr
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been experiencing the same thing- that is high effort in starting a change of direction. The front end doesn't seem to want to change direction unless I put considerable effort into pushing on the handgrip ( countersteering). And yes, using more body lean reduces this effort but compared to other bikes in the garage this 2007 seems to require a lot of force to change direction. Tires are low mileage Pilot Road 2s.
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Closetbueller
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When we put PR2's on the XT the front got a new "heavy" feel, but did not experience this with the PR2's on the X
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I went from a Metzeler ZR6, I think, to a PR2 and it was a huge difference. The PR2 did not turn in anything like the Metzeler did and it was like riding on a razor. I loved it but they just don't last very long. The PR2's were definitely "heavier" but once I got use to them I did like them, especially since they lasted a LOT longer! Running the Trails now and they are similar to the PR2's in feel.
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