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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Story here: http://blogs.motorcyclistonline.com/ducati-unveil- 2013-multistradas-26077.html

As far as the upcoming EBR AX, I hope EBR knows to lead when you shoot at a moving target.
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Xbkris
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Love my uly but that is a great looking bike. Price is the only reason why I dont own one today.
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Terrible1one3
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well from what I heard about the Buell models and their price points this is going to be their competition.

I think the Buell quote said they want to make more affordable rides expecting to be about 20k.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice mandibles.

The Ducati Multistrada, now 90% less ugly!
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Pontlee77
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

chain driven, not for me i rather shaft or belt.
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Buellerxt
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've heard and read nothing but superlatives about the Multistrada, Hughlysses. I have to believe it is a SUPER bike. I'm not a Panigale kind of rider but the reviews of that bike, alongwith with the Ducati cruiser and the Multistrada have me considering a Multi. I hope to test ride one soon. I LOVE my Uly but hey, we only have so much time!
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you like the Multi strudel look up Dr Greg here or on AdvRider he has had several Ulys and Multis He is a long distance rider. He has the most experience I know of with both bikes
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Pontlee77
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I test ride the Triumph Tiger explorer and loved it haven't tried neither the super tenere nor the ducati, but as for now all are out of my range, specially as i got a month ago an X1.
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Murf2
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 06:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hughlysses, Your right. Somebody should shoot that ugly S.O.B.
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Buewulf
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Price is the only reason why I dont own one today.

Maintenance is another.

I actually had the opportunity to test ride one of these at a local dealer. The power is jaw-dropping, especially compared to the Uly.
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Pontlee77
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ask the price of a chain set with new sprocket, sure to set off 600$
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Buellerxt
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An American Multistrada+, just around the corner? I have a feeling that EBR will come up with something very special in early 2013. Maybe several 'somethings'! Definitely worth waiting, and hoping, for to me.
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 02:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

while I like the Multistrada and it has some good write up reports on it, I just couldn't see myself putting that much money into a motorcycle that I can't ride year around where I live. I think that was one of the big selling points on the Ulysses was the low price tag for an American made motorcycle that does everything so well.
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Buewulf
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think that was one of the big selling points on the Ulysses was the low price tag

I think the days of low price tags are long gone for the adventure bike category (Were they ever really that low anyway?) when the "cheap" ones start at $13,000 without options.
Suzuki's little VStrom 650 Adventure is probably the sole bang-for-buck contender out there with ABS, cases and a few other farkles added for about $10K.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Water, chain and valve maintenance makes is a non-starter for me.
Oh, and price, too.
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Buewulf
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Water, chain and valve maintenance makes is a non-starter for me.

Selection must be getting pretty thin for you, my friend! I hope that Uly lasts you a long time.

I appreciate the simplicity of an air-cooled bike, but I have no issues with water-cooling and actually feel those bikes run better in a variety of conditions.

So you would have to adjust your valves as often as you fix rocker box leaks. Fair trade? The Uly is my first bike with hydraulic valve adjusters, and I LOVE that feature. But I would trade that luxury for a more thrilling engine.

While I have no love for chain maintenance, I'd take it over a belt. These darn belts can snap any time without warning, and I hate that. I'll take five minutes out of my day every couple of thousand miles to clean and lube a chain for the peace of mind it provides. I prefer a shaft over both as long as the gearing is proper... and it isn't a BMW shaft. .
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Terrible1one3
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Plus 1 Buewolf
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll take the belt over a chain. I've broken two, one lasted 25K miles, the other one about 15K. The second time I was able to replace it on the side of the road in less than 30 minutes. That assumes, of course, one has a spare belt.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buewulf Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Selection must be getting pretty thin for you, my friend! I hope that Uly lasts you a long time.

I'm ok with that. When the Uly expires; next stop Moto Guzzi. Will have valves to adjust but they're right out there in front of God and everyone. So it's a small trade off, for most of my requirements.

I appreciate the simplicity of an air-cooled bike, but I have no issues with water-cooling and actually feel those bikes run better in a variety of conditions.

There's no emotion, it's pure physics that they absolutely do.

So you would have to adjust your valves as often as you fix rocker box leaks. Fair trade?

Mine must be broken; no leaks anywhere. 27k miles.

The Uly is my first bike with hydraulic valve adjusters, and I LOVE that feature. But I would trade that luxury for a more thrilling engine.

The Uly is the first bike I've had with over 100 hp; I'm happy with that power.

These darn belts can snap any time without warning, and I hate that.
True enough...

I'll take five minutes out of my day every couple of thousand miles to clean and lube a chain for the peace of mind it provides.

Not me.
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Conchop
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, its about time to see a picture of the EBR Uly replacement!

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Cyclonedon
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh No! Not that road grader orange color again! That color tends to slow down the bike.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could go for a bit more room in the fairing box for farkle electronics. It would also be nice if the oil filter wasn't under any plastic that needed removing for oil changes. All socket head cap screws, no torx screws. Standard lithium iron phosphate battery. I don't mind paying upfront for the best. It is better than having to replace substandard bits after the fact. For instance, I'd of payed an extra 100 bucks or more for a stainless steel muffler if ever given the opportunity. Seat height should be an option also. No reason that a taller person should later have to buy the tall seat because the bike came with a munchkin thin oyster cooking seat. Maybe with EBR new style business plan this will all be possible.
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Uly_man
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Terrible1one3
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I doubt it will be that similar to the Uly (at least I hope).

I can't imagine what having 140+ hp will be like on this already wheelie happy chassis. I wouldn't be going for it, I am already afraid of flipping over backwards off the line, especially two up.
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Conchop
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Erik - send us a teaser pic!
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Erwin8r
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blacken the forks, add some wheel base, more room behind the flyscreen, dump that "bronze" color on the rear subframe/grab rails, maybe a lighter ztl3 caliper, and we're good to go! ; )

Btw, I'll take a belt over a chain any day on a bike like this. And one stop at a duc dealer for a "service" will make you a hydraulic lifter believer.

Don't get me wrong, I really want to love Ducs, and my SWMBO actually owns a 620 Monster, but I can't afford scheduled $1k maintenance on a bike.

The Multi is probably the best of the breed in terms of all-around competency, and is a great option if money is no object...
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Mikef5000
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the days of low price tags are long gone for the adventure bike category (Were they ever really that low anyway?) when the "cheap" ones start at $13,000 without options.

The vast variation in definitions of "adventure bike" makes my head spin. Regardless, I think there are several low price options, but your going to have to sacrifice to get them. Expecting there to be a 100+ HP new technology 'low price tag' bike of any genre is silly.

Road Oriented, ala cheap Multistrada or EBR AX:
Kawasaki Versys - MSRP $7899


Dirt Oriented, ala cheap KTM Adventure:
Husky 650 Terra - $6999


Happy Medium, ala cheap Yamaha Super Tenere or BMW 1200GS:
Suzuki V-Strom 650 - $8299


Then you've still got the two standard ultra-cheap contenders:

More street oriented Kawasaki KLR650 - MSRP $6499


More dirt oriented Suzuki DR650 - MSRP $5999


What more could you want? There's the Triumph 800, BMW 700GS, and V-strom 1000 in there around the $10k mark if you want a little more power/tech.

I think the market is setup pretty well right now! But I still think the Yamaha Super Tenere, which can be had in the mid $11k's right now new, is the best value of the bunch though.
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Terrible1one3
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget the new Honda NT700. Awesome bike, just underpowered.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

True, but even with as wide a definition as "adventure bike" has, that would still fall squarely into the "sport tourer" category, no? Still another sub $10k bike none-the-less.

(Message edited by Mikef5000 on September 22, 2012)
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Uly_man
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess if you can pay the money for a Multisrada you will be good for the service costs as well. This bike is VERY complicated. The new bikes coming onto the market are becoming more so as well. ABS, traction control, linked brakes, tire pressure sensors and switchable suspension settings all add to this as well as the weight and price.

I have never felt the need for all of that stuff. If you have good suspension, rubber and know how to ride neither should anyone else. The amount of people I come across who have no idea of how a bike works or how to ride is very worrying.

I find it hard to think of a bike in the Ulys class as easy/cheap to maintain, good build quality, cheap to run/insure, comfy for rider/pillion, gearbox/brakes (mine anyway), handles so well and cheap to buy. They are the last of the "old school" bikes of which you can do as you wish with. Soon you will have to pay through the nose for dealers to fix your problems and if some have there way you will not be allowed to make any mods to your bike either IE can, lights, etc.
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