| Author |
Message |
    
Froggy
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 08:02 pm: | 
|
quote: I believe the cop computer has the horn blow to warn of an overheat condition.
That is not correct. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 08:48 pm: |
|
My apologies about the brake perch. My part-time alzheimers (somezteimers?) made me forget the perch is a separate piece from the switch housing. Same theory applies, though - the throttle cables run through it, so my guess is he had it off/loose to lube the throttle cables and just forgot to tighten it. |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 10:12 am: |
|
Ok Ratbuell I think you are on to something. Yes the electric coupling or plastic housing (adjacent to front brake perch) rotated easily and moved around on front brake application. Are you saying there is some kind of ground in there or connection that might be related to my issue. I am open here just as I am with the statement that I am incorrect reference my statement that (maybe) the police kit blows the horn to warn of an overheat condition. I don’t know, that is why I am posting. It is amazing coincident if not part of the programming that the horn blows precisely when the fan should be on and goes off when the fan normally goes off. I know the characteristics of this bike.
This thread is not academic reference that the HD dealer has my bike and is working on it. Although they are difficult to pass on suggestions to they have the bike, BUT I will not go for a situation like Dcc46. I will get my bike back in whatever condition it is in and cancel my extended warranty, (have 30 days) and attempt to fix it myself with whatever knowledgeable help I can get. I’d rather have it back and it never work just so I can look at it instead of lose it to HD on a buy back. Not judging Dcc46, just my preference. I remember first seeing that bike at the dealer with that big horn on the side and knew I had to have it. Knowing nothing really about a Uly I have ridden it 11000 miles in two years and now I understand what I bought. An almost perfect bike that can take on dirt roads, lugs or revs, handles incredibly and is very reliable. And with a fully functioning police kit. The real shame here is that when the bike went to the dealer it was perfect. It went in for an oil change and a last look-over with two days of warranty left. I think I’ll give them another week and go get it back. Anybody in the ATL area that really knows ULY cop bike wiring, wana job |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 07:15 pm: |
|
Bring it to MD.
But, to answer your questions - NO, the horn does NOT blow to indicate an overheat condition. That's what the check engine light is for.
There is no connection - physical, or electrical - between the police package air horn speaker, and the ECM. At least, there shouldn't be. The ONLY places the E-kit plugs into the main motorcycle AT ALL are at the rear power outlet (gives power to the system), and at the connector behind the flyscreen (connects the E-kit to the horn button).
That's it.
I promise.
I guarantee you the tech unhooked something doing the fuel pump, and either forgot to hook it back up (likely a ground)...or if it was a "live" plug containing power and ground, he plugged it into the wrong pigtail somehow.
Its just a matter of finding it. That's all.
If all else fails...tell him to remove the fuel pump again. And put it back in again. The ultimate "retracing his steps". I bet he'll get into the "peeling-harnesses-out-of-the-way" phase and see something hanging loose. |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 11:21 am: |
|
Wish I could easily pass this on to the actual maintenance guy but the obstacles or obstacle that has made that difficult will not go away. I got up yesterday and was getting ready to just pick the thing up but called the dealership first. They said the parts have been shipped. Even if the parts do not fix it at least that direction will end. It’s very frustrating but I’m trying to let HD run the warranty course.
As a side note I drove the bike at HD directions with the fuse pulled for the horn. Yes it also deactivates the exhaust valve and more importantly the brake light. Now the horn could not blow and instead of it blowing the check engine light came on. Shut the bike down, let it cool, drove home. Pulling in my driveway it came on again.
HD said the fan is fine and comes on when they test it. New ECM and horn button will be put on because HD wants to. See what happens after that. If the new ecu runs the fan all the time I will have to figure out a way to kill it during cruise or the bike is for sale. Should have just let my warranty expire and never taken it in for the oil change. This may have been a fatal and Uly ending mistake. Or I'll bring it to MD |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 12:10 pm: |
|
Why are you so set against having the fan run with the new program? My new EBR ECM is set up that way and I hardly notice it. I have to listen for it when I have my helmet on, which is every time I ride. What I really got sick of was that screaming fan after the bike was shut off. Actually, I really got tired of explaining the noise to onlookers. Thanks. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 12:06 pm: |
|
If they change the fan logic, just order a new computer from EBR and specify that you want "Pre-comfort-kit fan logic".
It'll be a better computer, a smoother ride, better power, and have the fan logic you want.
But personally...I agree. The new fan logic is a very nice feature. I wish I could have gotten it on my 06 when I got my EBR computer...but the DDFI-II system isn't capable of it.
(Message edited by ratbuell on November 24, 2011) |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 08:28 pm: |
|
Yea, I'll do that Ratbuell if they change it, and if I get it back. Holidays and everything, things slow. Been trying to ride my drz but just can't keep up.
Thanks |
Bike_pilot
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 08:28 pm: |
|
I think Ratbuell is right, its gotta be something silly the guy screwed up when he did the pump.
I gotta say I really don't like the EBR fan logic. The stupid thing runs all the time when underway regardless of whether its useful (at least I don't think its useful in 35 degree rainy weather - surely the motor doesn't run hot in those conditions). I'd much rather have the fan run only when necessary, the noise is annoying. Plus that'd free up some juice to run heated gear, extra lights or something When I get a bit of time I'm going to see if I can change the logic in my EBR ECM to make the fan logic more sensible.
As long as you don't mind the noise and the fan doesn't overcool the motor (doubtful I think) I don't think the EBR logic does any harm in terms of performance, its just annoying that's all.
Good luck! |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 08:42 pm: |
|
Send it back to EBR and have THEM change it for you. They'll be happy to do it, I'm sure...and you know it'll be done right.
Personally (saying this again) I wish I could get the new logic on my '06. I think having the fan run when the bike is in motion makes sense. It keeps you from getting a pocket of air behind the rear cylinder, and cuts way back on rear head heat.
The only time I can hear my fan (and I run a stock muffler) is below 5mph...when the new logic turns it off anyway, from my understanding. Maybe its just one of those frequencies I don't hear...I dunno. I just don't see the "annoying" part of it, myself... |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 08:56 pm: |
|
My reasons are the heat. I have all the cooling stuff I can think of to make things cooler. I just don't ride the bike when it is hot. I have the metabolism of a shrew and love riding in 40 degrees. The riding season has just started for me. I love the heat of the Uly in cold wx and have a room full of gear to handle bad wx. This is the badwx forum. Rode this summer all in the mountains (trailered the bikes up) and on the parkway in the rain and fog and cold temps. Loved it.
The times I have been caught in hot wx and the bike starts running that #%&% fan, with the hair dryer up my butt, I just pull over and let it cool. I have to cut it off at stop lights in warm wx or the fan will come on and not stop until I park for 15 minutes or so. In other words, when the fan is running, I park, really no exceptions.
To really tell you how I feel about it.
I would rather massage coco butter into Shaquille O'Neal buttock checks than ride a Buell in hot wx with the fan on.
Nuff said.
Let’s see if this livens up this thread.
All joking aside, thanks for everyone’s input. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 07:43 pm: |
|
Don't you have the comfort kit? That keeps the hot air OUT from under the seat, shooting it out between the undertail and the rear tire.
And again, maybe I'm silly...but I'd rather have heat where *I* can reposition or re-dress myself, versus having heat on the engine, which causes damage.
I cool off. I heal. Engines...do not heal.
(Message edited by ratbuell on November 26, 2011) |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 12:21 am: |
|
In other words, when the fan is running, I park, really no exceptions.
Don't ride much eh? 
I have over ridden my 06's fan control and have it on a switch on the bars. I turn it on about five minutes into a ride and leave it on. If the temps are below 60F I don't turn it on at all unless riding hard.
With the fan on all of the time I never seem to be short of electrical power for running my heated gear(gloves/jacket/grips), both headlights, four marker led's, GPS, and MP3 while charging my phone under the seat. |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 10:49 pm: |
|
about 12000 in two years.
fan normally does not run while at speed. |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - 07:30 pm: |
|
ecu and horn switch replaced
problem solved
back like it was
thanks for those with constructive input, special thanks to ratbuell. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - 09:33 pm: |
|
hm.
Shame they replaced 2 items - keeps us from knowing what the issue actually was...but I'm always glad to help (as if typing on the Interwebs was actually helpful...lol).
Most importantly - you got your motorcycle back the way you want it |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - 11:09 pm: |
|
Spoke with one of the techs.
he specifically discussed the process of coming to the conclusion of ecm failure, but he never mentioned the horn switch.
Hope that helps Ratbuell.
I'm so glad to get my bike back. Rode in the rain today, did not care, just wanted to ride.
Got gear
Got a few more days to decide if I want to keep the extended warranty. Really don't have an alternative for having someone work on my bike other than the dealer. Really don't have time myself.
They did finally get it right. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 08:08 am: |
|
They did finally get it right.
And that is what counts. |
|
