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Union_man
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks pretty cool to me!
Shaft drive 1200.
http://www.triumphadventure.com/en/

Make sure you play the video!!!

(Message edited by union_man on November 08, 2011)
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Motorbike
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Union Man, good to hear from you again. Did the mechanic that bought your 07 get it back on the road yet? Last time I spoke with him, he had all the parts.

That new Triumph does look really cool. Seems to have as much or more electronics than the Duc Multistrada. Shaft drive is good, in my opinion. I always liked the Triumph Tiger 1050 but really did not want a chain drive on a bike that I only ride on the street. I would just be a little concerned about buying a bike in it's first year of production. Too many things to go wrong. But, the again, I guess we can have trouble with anything mechanical, right? Take care.
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Timberwolf
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anybody seen anything to indicate if this is going to be available in the US?
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Based on their website, it is. price TBD though. It's gotta be over 15K with all that I'd bet. This could be the next bike, it checks all the boxes for me.
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Rodclement
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Booking test rides in the US...having owned a Triumph a couple of years ago I would not hesitate one second to buy one...any idea of prices?

Rod
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Badrap
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks kinda like a 3 cylinder BMW.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like a great bike that follows the BMW and Ducatti model of "price it so high that it sucks all the fun out of motorcycling"...
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Buewulf
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"price it so high that it sucks all the fun out of motorcycling"...

Amen to that.
Used never looked so good.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A $5000 Uly with hard bags has absolutely ruined me for "fun motorcycles". It has set the bar so ridiculously high I doubt anything else will ever come close.
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Schwara
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amen ... didn't get nearly that good of a deal, but there is still nothing else that approaches the bike I have for $$ I spent ... excluding the 2010 black XT with 5K for $9K
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Union_man
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Motorbike!!!

I don't hang out here much now that the Uly is gone. I bought a white, Triumph Tiger 1050. It's nice, but lacks the personality of the Buell. I will be spending my winter getting it set up with some farkles!


I will be dropping in now and again!
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Dr_greg
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And it has cruise control!

...something I've been complaining about any throttle-by-wire bikes with touring aspirations not having...

...like my Multistrada 1200S...

--Doc
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Hooper
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahhh, another bike to prompt people to ask, "Is that a BMW?" or say, "Nice Bimmer." By the way, what's a "tyre". I thought it was an ancient city in Lebanon.

Didn't see anything about ABS, which is something I want on my next bike.
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Jphish
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I only got throttle lock - Nope - it definitely aint cruise control! I generally agree, 1st year of entirely new models can be gremlin guinea pigs, as they 'beta test' them on us purchasers. However, I think Triumph does a pretty fair job of vetting prior to introduction...if my 800XC is any indication. 2 recalls - but on their own volition, & minor stuff (ECU remap for stalling & centerstand return spring) Some guys & girls have 20K mi already on 800 & no serious issues. (I barely have 5K - bad riding year!) Be curious how the final drive holds up, compared to 12GS. My 06' tiger with 20K mi has had NO issues. Well...other than replacing chain / sprockets - With my Uly mindset - kept forgetting to lube it. (I think this sprocket art will help me remember)
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Jphish
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PS: It's got ABS - just like my 800
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Xbimmer
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been waiting for someone to build this for years, I like it. Rather have throttle cables though. Triumph definitely has my attention lately. And there's a great dealer close by that actually cares about the machines they sell.
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Badrap
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not to high jack but I see that BMW is working on a water cooled opposed twin for it's GS line. It's about time!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

950W generator (!). Froggy may have to get a new bike.
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Mnrider
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice bike.

Cool name!

With no new Buell models I feel like a man without a country.
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Britchri10
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lovely bike!
Love the shaft drive, love the triple cylinder configuration. (Old XS750 owner).
No new Buells.
I'm happy with my Blast & Uly (I sold my X1 'cause of my back problems)
I feel like a man whose country is coming up trump(et)s at this moment in time.
Chris C
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put that exhaust can where it should be, under the engine. Then they wouldn't have to short change the right saddle bag.
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Pragmatic
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like everything but the shaft drive
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Fltwistygirl
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice kitty! When we were looking at sport touring bikes in '08, we considered a tiger. Our deal breaker at the time was the lack of full-face helmet capacity of all three hard bags.

Not a problem for everyone, but when I want a bike that can tour, or just meet my needs when I am teaching over a three day rainy weekend 200 miles away, I want ginormous hard bags. It's gotta do it all.
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Wbrisett
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 06:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are a lot of GS alternatives out there right now. What I really, really want magazines who review these things to do though is take them out in the dirt, do a low-speed spill, then report on how much $$$ it costs to repair the thing. While the uly isn't the best bike in the dirt, it is fairly inexpensive to repair when dropped (although parts are getting harder to come by... took HD nearly three months to get a plastic hand guard I had on order).

Wayne
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Eryngium
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Question for those more "adventurous" than me: Wouldn't you rather have simpler in an adventure bike? It seems contrary to my point of view that the Triumph has more, and more reliance on, electronics. I would have thought you'd want less electronics, and more things you can readily fix in the field. I realize electronics are the world we live in and we can't go backwards, but it seems like challenging environments might be better approached with less reliance on things one has less capacity to fix.

Yes? No? I'm definitely not trying to put it down. I like it and would love to check it out. Just throwing that question out there for discussion.
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

took HD nearly three months to get a plastic hand guard I had on order

I wonder why? I bought the handguard kit for Terri's Ss a couple of months ago. It took four days from when I ordered it to when it arrived at the dealership.
Maybe I just had good timing?
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Wbrisett
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crusty... Ordered locally, after several weeks I called American Sportbike, Al mentioned he had them on order for quite a while. My guess is that HD had to order up another batch from the manufacturer so everybody was waiting on them. Depending on lead times, I can see a nearly three month wait. (In the meantime, I found a used set on Fleabay and bought those, now I have extras. Not a bad thing since I plan on taking the Uly in the dirt next month).

Wayne
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Buewulf
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put that exhaust can where it should be, under the engine.

Eats up too much ground clearance. They put it in the right place.

Wouldn't you rather have simpler in an adventure bike?

Would you rather have a map or a GPS? The GPS is more likely to fail, but I'll take it over a map 10 times out of 10. You just have to pick your poison.

My "adventuring" is lame compared to some, but probably more adventurous than most. Simple is good to a point. Modern vehicular electronics have proven reliable enough that I'll take the conveniences and enhanced performance over the risk of failure for the vast majority of trips. My experience has been that simple bikes are easier to fix in a pinch, but they break more often.

While the uly isn't the best bike in the dirt, it is fairly inexpensive to repair when dropped

The Uly is a great fall bike. I've bitten it off-road several times and never broken anything, just scuffed up the hand guards and frame pucks a little. It isn't much worse off road than most adventure bikes, either.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fair question Eryngium, I've thought about it also.

I started playing with little PIC microcontrollers. Basically little computers with analog and discrete inputs and outputs. I loved the idea of what they could do, but was skeptical about the complexity.

The I built and hung over my desk driving a little sound meter bar has now been running continuously for about 3 years (we have UPS power here at work). It just works. And thats without any special packaging, it's a bare PC board with a socketed chip. The analog parts of the circuit are getting flakey (the potentiometer and capacitors probaly, I'm a lousy analog designer and never got the op amp working cleanly). So the simple parts are the ones giving me grief.

Now consider my 140,000+ mile 12+ year old Saab 9-3 Turbo. A couple of times a year, it will kick on a check engine light. When it does, I go poking around and find some rotted vacuum line, or some toasted sensor, and I replace it. The rest of the time it just works perfectly, regardless if it is warm, cold, if I am in the mountians, hauling a trailer, feeding it crappy gas, etc.

Now consider my kids KX-60. Stone axe simple two stroke dirt bike... aside from the transmission, maybe 6 moving parts in the motor (no joke... piston, rings, crank, stator, reed valve, carb slide).

That fickle &^%^$ is always fussing. Temperature changed? Rejet. Start it wrong? Pull and clean a plug. Altitude change? Rejet. Exhaust packing fouled? Pull and replace. Running like crap for no reason? Who knows, maybe a crank seal, hope its better next ride.

Complexity is complexity, so it's always a liability to some degree. But done right, I think complexity can solve more problems than it creates. So if two systems do the exact same thing, the simpler one is likely better. But if two systems do different things, all bets are off.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Complexity is complexity, so it's always a liability to some degree. But done right, I think complexity can solve more problems than it creates. So if two systems do the exact same thing, the simpler one is likely better. But if two systems do different things, all bets are off.

These same arguments regarding complexity were common when the railroads switched from steam locomotives to diesel-electrics. The old saying was "With a steam locomotive, it takes 5 minutes to find the problem and 8 hours to fix it; with a diesel, it takes 8 hours to find the problem and 5 minutes to fix it."
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