| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
I've had an Erik Buell Racing race ECM for my stock 2009 Uly for over a year now, sitting in the Buell parts drawer. The darn bike just runs so incredibly well in stock form that I just didn't feel compelled to install it. I couldn't imagine how it could run any better or stronger, until now. It takes all of five minutes to install including the TPS reset. You need a 3/8 socket, a 3/16" allen wrench, and a 7/16" box end wrench to remove the stock ECM and install the new one. Then perform the built-in TPS reset procedure and done. The bike when cold starts with a fast idle. Once up to temperature it settles right back down to 1050 rpm. I wish I'd have installed the race ECM when I first received it. I had no idea the performance would improve so noticeably. The engine is smoother, stronger, meaner. For the meager investment, nothing comes close, and I like that the bike is still quiet. At some point I'll be mounting up a Drummer SS to see what difference it might offer as well. Will need to obtain the Erik Buell Racing Race ECM specifically mapped for that as well, or maybe the programmer module? Will look into that. Thanks Erik Buell Racing! (Message edited by Blake on August 23, 2011) | ||
| Trevd |
I agree that the Erik Buell Racing ecm is great, but I'm not sure if it's smoother. Since I've installed mine I've noticed a bit of extra vibration at cruising speeds, not much extra, but noticeable after a while. Not sure why... I still have it on though - the bike runs so much better that I can't see myself taking it off, even if there are some extra shakes. | ||
| Schwara |
+1 for the race ECM on my '09 Uly ... love it only other issues were in low RPM but after breather re-route those have smoothed out too. | ||
| Idaho_buelly |
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| Nobuell |
I have a Erik Buell Racing Race ECM for a stock application. I like the high speed cold idle. The motor does not look like it shaking its self to death like the OEM. On my bike, there is a little bit of a flat area around 4,000 RPM but the bike runs so much better everywhere else it is definitely worth it. I also have noticed that the engine feels a little rougher at cruising speeds than before. It is not a bad vibration, it just feels a little more aggressive, hard to verbalize. I believe that the bike gets better gas mileage, but have not been on any sustained trips to verify. All in all, one of the best bang for my bucks. | ||
| Ourdee |
Blake, And that is in warm weather. The cold weather improvement is even more incredible. At 50 degrees it makes mine lift the front end on throttle in second. No clutch popping or chopping the throttle. Just dial it on and up it comes. You may want to clearance the seat over the front connector on the ECM to keep from breaking it. You can cut the 2 bars out of the round seat vent. | ||
| Skinstains |
I have purposely kept my 09 Uly stock as far as the engine is concerned. I have modded all of my other bikes but left the Uly stock as it is my long trip bike and I didn't want any problems out in the middle of nowhere. I haven't had any problems with my modded xb's but still am hesitant to do the EEBBRR ECM. Didn't I read that some people had problems with these EEBBRR ECM's ? Bad enough that they had to be sent back to have them repaired or replaced ? Hopefully I'm wrong on this as I really would like to get one for my Uly before my next big trip. | ||
| Ourdee |
Timothy, You are missing out. It doesn't get much better than the eBr ECM. They are great. If it is your long distance bike, that is all the more reason to get it. Then you can carry a spare ECM under the seat like I do. I run the eBr ECM. | ||
| Dano_12s |
Blake,+++111,but it looks like now I have to buy some new tools--off to find a 7/17 wrench set! | ||
| Andymnelson |
To counter all of the rave reviews.... I'll offer my very mediocre one: On my '06, I noticed: No improvement in performance Increased vibrations at cruising RPMs No decrease in vibes at lower RPMs And I don't get the benefit of the high idle (because its a DDFI2 bike) I sent them my old race ecm to reprogram so it didn't cost me much, but honestly I would be pretty ticked if I spent $250 for this. I actually have the stock ecm in there now because everything is just a little bit better with it. | ||
| Shagg1970 |
On my 06 Ulysses I just recently installed the Erik Buell Racing race ecm for Drummer and k&N and its spot on. no flat spots loads of torque pulls strong no matter where you are in the rpms, its like a diffrent bike to me and I love it. I had the factory race ecm with 07 race map loaded and tweaked with ecm spy, I thought it was great then but now its excellent. | ||
| Blake |
Andy, Did you specify the model of muffler? And did you communicate your dissatisfaction to Erik Buell Racing? Your experience is atypical. | ||
| Andymnelson |
Yes and yes. Kind of got the impression that it's about what it should be. It doesn't run BAD on their ecm...just not any better. It's perdydamgud as is!  I have noticed (after noting my experience!) that the vast majority of the positive reviews are from bikes with DDFI3. I'm guessing that the maps and such are much better for them than the DDFI2 bikes. I agree that it seem atypical, but I also have heard the same from a couple of others with 2006-07 Ulys. It's kind of like the HID light thing; everybody says "OMG, they are so much brighter and better...", while no one said how poorly our housings and reflectors control the brighter light. If someone had simply told the truth (an educated truth....) about them, I would not have wasted my money on a setup that I eventually ripped out and now site on my shelf. Same thing here...if I had know, I would not have purchased. BTW, the setup I ordered it for is Drummer SS muffler, K&N filter, breather re-route. | ||
| Blake |
Ourdee, Good point, air temperature was in the triple digits. I rode easily at first to allow the AFV time to settle in, then stopped and took off fairly aggressively, not all out drag racing. just spirited riding mode. I short-shifted into 2nd gear at around 5,500 rpm and was surprised by an abrupt wheelie. Adrenalin rush. The bike pulls much more smoothly is what I meant by "smoother". It just revs better/quicker from low rpm. I didn't notice any difference in vibration. The bike has always been very smooth once underway. | ||
| Blake |
Andy, Would be interesting to see a proper dyno comparison of the two. Really tough to believe that a race ECM would not show noticeable improvement. Have you ever verified the ignition timing? | ||
| Ourdee |
I don't think there is as much to improve on the 06 programing. I heard(can't remember who) that the EPA intrusion was greater on the 08+ models. Blake, Put a piece of clay between the ECM connectors and the seat. Ride somewhere and back. Then check the clay thickness. I harp this because I cracked my ECM and had to fix it. info@eBr told me, "FYI, there is a tech tip to the dealers on an additional step to help this issue. It recommends removing the ribs on the seat in the area where the damage occurs." That would be the 2 bars in the circle under the seat. I am planing on making an aluminum piece to keep the seat off of mine. I have a stainless piece over it right now. | ||
| Andymnelson |
I agree Blake....but it's not really worth it to me just to find out  I too think that there is less to improve upon on the '06. Not to mention, I already had the P&A race ECM with some tweaks by me. The race ECM really is a great match for the Drummer SS muffler. I may need to hook them both up to and take a good look at the differences in the fueling- I bet it aint much. | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Ourdee, I've been meaning to do that for some time. The '09 does have a plastic rub block on one side that sticks up a good half inch or so above the ECM to help protect it. Andy, Your experience now makes sense, as you are comparing the Erik Buell Racing race ECM to the P&A race ECM. If I recall correctly, Drummer mufflers were designed to work very well with the P&A race modules. I'm comparing to the stock ECM and also with the stock muffler. | ||
| Blake |
Would you please edit your original comment here to indicate that you are referring to a comparison to the P&A race ECM and not the OEM ECM? I thought you were talking about the OEM ECM. I think most would, so the post is highly misleading while also being very unfavorable to Erik Buell Racing's product. | ||
| Andymnelson |
Gladly, but what would you like it to say? It says this, which I think is clear:
I had the P&A Race ECM with my tweaks, removed it and sent it to Erik Buell Racing to be fixed up. Didn't particularly like that, so I now have the stock ECM in the bike. I think that both stock and P&A race feel better than the Erik Buell Racing ECM. I don't mean to be misleading....I am referring to 3 different ECM flashes on 2 different boxes: 1) stock flash on stock box 2) P&A flash on P&A box 3) Erik Buell Racing flash on P&A box I like #2 best, then #1. | ||
| Ourdee |
Blake, My 08 also has/had the stand-off block. I still managed to break the ECM. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I have an Erik Buell Racing ECM in my '06. stock muffler, stock everything except k&n and open style inner airbox. I love it. It runs better than it did with the old p&a "race" ecm and a drummer. "Faster"? Probably not. "More HP?" doubt it. Smoother, yes. Easier to ride, yes. Better power delivery, absolutely. And I, like Andy, sent my old p&a box to get remapped. Zero complaints here. | ||
| Skinstains |
OK now I'm AFU ! Is the new EEBBRR ECM the same thing as I would have if I sent EEBBRR my stock 09 Uly ECM and had it flashed ? I have a stock XBR muffler, stock airbox with a K&N and a vent to atmosphere breather set up. I don't really like the stock muffler but can't put a loud muffler on it and feel right pulling in to campgrounds in the middle of the night. | ||
| Andymnelson |
They will NOT touch your stock ecm. It must be a P&A race ecm, already stamped "for race use only". | ||
| Skinstains |
OK then, would it be the same if I sent a P&A "Race Use Only" ECM for a flash or is the new one from EEBBRR better or different ? | ||
| Uly_pirate |
This is probably a silly (a.k.a. stupid) question. I'm interested in getting the Erik Buell Racing Racing ECM, but was wondering if it had any affect on the fan operation. I have an 09 XT with the comfort kit installed. Normal operation is once the bike is warmed up the fan runs all the time until I drop below ~10mph. So, my only concern is installing the Erik Buell Racing ECM and reverting back to a hot right leg. | ||
| Ratbuell |
you can tell them which fan logic you prefer, and they will program it for you. skin - if you have a race-stamped ecm it is physically identical. if you haven't cracked a connector...send it in and save a boatload of cash | ||
| Skinstains |
sweeeeet... | ||
| Pookawa |
I just put in an Erik Buell Racing ECM for a 2010 with stock muffler. Here's what I did, and results: Install: maybe 10 minutes. First attempt: Reset the TPS, and let it idle for 10 minutes to reset the IAC (per instructions), took it for a long ride. About two hours into the ride, it started stalling and the CEL came on throughout the ride home. Engine seemed to run rougher once the stalling started. Second attempt: (re-reading the posts and getting smarter): Took it for a 20 minute ride to fully warm up. Reset the TPS, Let it idle for 10 minutes (IAC) took it for a 20 minute ride to reset the AFV (3000 RPM, steady cruising). (Thank you Froggy for explaining that stuff in an earlier post). Results: no stalling so far (two days of short trips), no CEL. Idle: Before the ECM, it would idle around 1100 or slightly higher. After the ECM, it idles right about 1050 RPM Idle quality: smoother. My 'scientific calibration' is that things that I place on the seat (gloves, etc) don't get shaken off now while I am gearing up. They always did before. Low RPM Manners: Before ECM change: small stumbles in the 2000-3000 RPM range. Not horrible, but noticeable. After ECM Change: Definitely smoother. I can now go through my neighborhood at 15 MPH without it feeling like it is angry for being up so early. Mid RPM Manners: Before ECM Change: 'sweet spot' was about 3000-3500 for highway speeds. After ECM change: Seems (BOP sensor) to have slightly more vibration at that same RPM range. Still a low-mileage bike, so time will tell. Power: 'Seems' to have a bit more power, but that might just be because it is smoother overall. I wasn't really looking for power (I have my 1125R for that), was looking to smooth out the engine a bit at the RPMs that I deal with on a daily basis. GAS Mileage: Still finishing my first tank, so will let people know after I get a few tanks through. Overall Impression: Yes, money well spent. Easy mod, improves the 'daily handling' aspects. | ||
| Bike_pilot |
Curious how things are going Pookawa, I'll be flying to Boston Saturday to retrieve a new-to-me '09 XT with the Erik Buell Racing ECM in-hand (the bike has a cracked ecm). Appreciate the posts here and instructions on the install. |
