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     Vecchio_lupo |
Looking for information... I called Erik Buell Racing (Wonderful people, really)and asked about a ECM for my 08 Uly with K&N and Remus. I was told that at this time Erik Buell Racing didn't do ECMs for the Remus application. I asked about other exhaust options that had similar flow characteristics and to their credit I was told that close was not good enough. While they are 100% correct and very professional, I would expect no less, I find it frustrating that REMUS, a huge exhaust manufacturer has been overlooked by Erik Buell Racing, I offered to send my can in so they could strap it to the test mule and work up a map, they wisely declined. Has anybody heard of, or has anyone had success with a Erik Buell Racing ECM on a Uly with a Remus? Thanks... | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
Yes I authored the post with Erik Buell Racing in the title and the protocols won't allow access, it redirects to the Erik Buell Racing site. Unsure of how to fix it, I duplicated, sorry. Looking for information... I called Erik Buell Racing (Wonderful people, really)and asked about a ECM for my 08 Uly with K&N and Remus. I was told that at this time Erik Buell Racing didn't do ECMs for the Remus application. I asked about other exhaust options that had similar flow characteristics and to their credit I was told that close was not good enough. While they are 100% correct and very professional, I would expect no less, I find it frustrating that REMUS, a huge exhaust manufacturer has been overlooked by Erik Buell Racing, I offered to send my can in so they could strap it to the test mule and work up a map, they wisely declined. Has anybody heard of, or has anyone had success with a Erik Buell Racing ECM on a Uly with a Remus? Thanks... | ||
| Nipsey |
I have the "Old Race ECM" on an 06 with a Remus - works great | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
whats going on in here? | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
I wrongly used E B R in the title and was unable to access the thread after the protocols spelled out Erik Buell Racing. Sorry..I would however like to get an upgraded ECM without having to buy a new can. I like REMUS and think they make a good product. Nothing sneaky here | ||
| Pontlee77 |
Maybe Twinmotorcycles from Holand, may have special ecm tune up, just that they cost close to double the price of a Erik Buell Racing ECM. | ||
| Froggy |
That isn't true. There are two issues, one is time, the other is availability. Erik and the gang simply don't have time to make a specific tune for every single exhaust system, given thaey would have to make the tune at 5 times over to fit various years of the bikes. Also, the Remus is non existent here in the US. To be honest, I've only seen one Remus pipe in the last 5 years, and the owner of it got it dirt cheap second hand. Hell I've never seen a Termi or a handful of other Euro market pipes either. Given Erik Buell Racing's limited time and resources, they made some tunes for some of the most popular exhausts including the Drummer and Jardine. The elves have been so busy with things regarding the new 1190RS that they simply don't have time to take you up on your offer to send in a pipe. They even had to close the online store for a few weeks just so they can keep up with production. That said, I recommend you still get a Race ECM, it is better than the stock overall and will make you happy, even if it isn't a 100% match. | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
Froggy,my man. Please don't mistake frustration with anger. I am a big fan of Erik Buell Racing and the way they built something out of what most manufacturers would have seen as ruin. I know "The Elves" have bigger fish to fry than the very limited Uly niche market. Survival is paramount, and right now the fiscal requirement is crank out bikes. It was not my intention to throw a negative spin on the experience, just the opposite, I am very impressed with the service and attention I have received from Erik Buell Racing. You can't offer everything at once, if you did, you could never release new products. #1 REMUS is big, and REMUS USA has a good Buell selection. I just visited their online shop, they are expensive, true, maybe too expensive. The fact is, REMUS is a huge aftermarket exhaust manufacturer, on both sides of the Atlantic. As an American working for the US Army in Europe, I am very proud to fly the stars and stripes on my American made bike, Buell has a fantastic following over here, we are not a lessor sibling of the MoCo, but a stand alone premium brand. There is a Ducati/MV Agusta/ Moto Guzzi/Buell store here in Stuttgart (Home of the United States Africa Command) where the Buells are showcased, not tucked in behind the Wide Glides and Fat Boys like some dealers in the US. I'll wait for the Elves to get around to a Remus tune, or I'll make the switch to a more popular can. | ||
| Andymnelson |
Remus is small potatoes in the US. There's no logical argument against that- they simply do NOT sell many exhausts for Buells here. | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
I agree, they don't sell many because they cost almost $900 add that to the rather low overall production numbers of Buell in general and you have a boutique brand. By definition, we are a dying breed, our marque is defunct, just like 1983 when Triumph Norton/Villiers was lost. They became a spare parts supplier and the aftermarket abandoned us. I didn't mean to "break nobody's rice bowl" I don't take it personal that there is no specific application yet. I don't have any friends at Erik Buell Racing or at Drummer, Jardine or D&D for that matter. I think they are all fine products with loyal customers. I hope they all do well. Sooner or later I'll get what I'm after, or a different bike. My tuber will stay with me forever, but the XB, that is a tool. A wonderful tool, but utility is the major strength of the Uly, when that is no longer the case.... Since I first posted this request for information, I have been defending my position. How odd, I didn't think I had a position. Since I had Remus systems on BMWs and Harley Davidsons, plus all the automotive applications, I picked up one for the Uly, my bad. Now I have it, I would hate to take a step backward in the pursuit of smooth delivery. | ||
| Andymnelson |
Haha yes, I did not intend to "take sides"! I was merely stating the facts, and my thought is simple: VERY few Remus pipes on Buells means that the ROI is VERY low for e b r to be investing into a map for that pipe. You said:
That's why- not may Remus pipes on Buells. That's all I intended to communicate. Cheers! | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Vecchio, It's a bummer ebr doesn't have a tune for remus, but like you said give it time. And Froggy's right, getting the closest ebr match, will be much better than stock. Good luck! | ||
| Mark_weiss |
Why not get the programmable ECU, start off with a map that will be close, then take the bike to a tuning facility for the final setting? | ||
| Uly_dude |
Take Frog man's advise and get the ECM for either the drummer or the jardine. You'll still benefit. I'm of the mind set that all these pipes are very close in performance specs. Some sound different, weigh less/more, but a can is a can. I think to get real different performance numbers you'd have to get different shaped headers. This isn't gene splicing. Just my opinion. | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
I agree, my thinking is that free flow exhaust = free flow exhaust. I realize there will be subtle differences, but overall performance should be close. I just need to figure which can is the closest to the Remus. MrGobs, where did your post go? I must say that Erik Buell Racing has always answered my emails fast and with very coherent responses, not a canned answer. I feel your slow response time is tied to the cycle production they are all wrapped up in. Good Luck | ||
| Simond |
I asked the same question of Erik Buell Racing about six months ago. They said that they have a Remus exhaust and it is on their list to calibrate but that it would be a while before they get to it. Any calibration they do, however will be based on the US Spec headers so anyone with a EU spec bike would need to change headers and get the US spec (or pre '08 EU spec) Remus. I've changed the headers on my '09 UK bike to US Spec and will probably end up getting the programmable ECM and some dyno time with a decent tuner here in the UK. It is a shame that this option is so costly as the Uly is a popular bike in Europe and the fuelling of the EU spec bikes is not great - presumably because of the emissions requirements and more restrictive exhaust. I have to say that Erik Buell Racing were quick and to the point with their replies despite the fact that they were clearly busy elsewhere. (Message edited by SimonD on June 06, 2011) | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
Simond, Thanks for running that down. That helps alot, really, I can wait for the Erik Buell Racing elves to catch up. I have an 08 Uly with the US spec header, so I'm in good shape when the ECM is made available. Patience is what I'm really after I suppose. | ||
| Hangetsu |
Since these ECM's "learn" and adjust themselvs to changes in air flow, is it really going to make that much difference whether the ECM was mapped specifically for the Remus, Drummer, or any other high flow pipe? I wonder if anybody would be able to tell the difference using a seat-or-the-pants dyno. | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
That is my thinking also, I need a DDFI guy to verify that for most people, close enough is good enough. | ||
| Uly_man |
Vecchio_lupo. Production dates etc can confuse the issue. If your bike has the round timing (06-08 ish) cover it is the old version and the bike will learn with the Remus can no problem. A Remus Powerizer will boost the low/mid range and no re map is needed. Or at least it was fine on my bike with the big headers. You can use ECM-SPY as well. If your bike has the oval timing cover that is another matter. | ||
| Simond |
Looking at the new Erik Buell Racing site, it seems that they've dropped the exhaust specific ECMs and now supply only a generic "Race" ECM and the programmable option. Makes sense I suppose. | ||
| Hangetsu |
All the stock ECM's will "learn" and adjust to changes in airflow to some degree, regardless of year. I have an 09 and when I installed the K&N filter it ran like crap, but after about 30 or so minutes at sustained RPM, the thing smoothed right out and ran great. Of course, it adjusts things to run according to stock emissions requirements. It will do this when an aftermarket pike is added as well. I believe the only reason for a new map, or the race ECM is if you want it to run richer, more efficiently, and pollute more. | ||
| Simond |
Whoops, my mistake, all the pipe specific ECMs are still there. | ||
| Froggy |
The pipe specific tunes weren't on the site when it first went online, they were added yesterday  | ||
| Simond |
Cheers, its not just me getting old then . The EU 08/09 bikes don't run anyway near as well as the older bikes as standard. My 06 Firebolt was the cleanest running fuel injected Buell I've ridden and, if I'm honest, none of them run as well as my S2 fitted with a Mikuni but that's another story. I would imagine that the generic "race" ECM designed for use with the US models would make a significant improvement and anything else would be fine tuning - but as clean, smooth running is far more important to me than outright power, some dyno time with a good tuner could be worth it. |
