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Jconly
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So just picked up a 06 a few weeks ago.
Finally got around to doing a fluid change.

Changed the swingarm oil, no problem.
Went to do the transmission oil... took the cover off, and this is what I find.


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Thats not normal is it?
It was a very greasy (almost like white lithium) dense white substance that had built up on the inside of the cover.

It almost looks to me like what may have happened with some moisture getting in there.
Maybe a bad gasket seal on the cover?
If I were to replace it, wheres a good place to get OEM parts?

How many of you are actually changing this gasket when changing that oil? Also, curious as to how many of you are actually taking the cover off and visually checking the level, vs just pouring in the amount the book calls for.

I noticed I used a little less than the full quart.
Although, it seems as if the fill level is a bit arbitrary.. I filled to about halfway up the height of the teeth or so.

Going to take it for a ride today, reopen and recheck my level.

Also, just wanted to confirm.. you guys are checking this level with the bike perfectly level, engine warm?
Checking the swingarm oil with the engine warm, bike on kickstand, steering wheel all the way to the left, level front to back?


Thanks everyone!
New here and you have all been an incredible help so far!! Thanks for the great wealth of information.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

100% normal. Water can get in there often via the clutch cable or transmission vent. You can put zipties on the clutch cable to help prevent it.
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Jhallgren
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah that is common. I get it too. Its condensation build up from the heating up and cooling down. Now if the trans oil is milky like that when you are draining it, you have water intrusion. If its just the cover that had the milky residue, your fine. As for your other questions, I check the fluid levels with a warm bike with the bike on the sidestand with the front wheel pointing straight. Yes I do replace the gasket every time I remove that cover.
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7873jake
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spam Jelly!

What you don't want is macadamia nuts in your jelly 'cause that will make your Uly sound terminal.



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Andymnelson
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unfortunately, all too normal.
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Motorbike
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I always replace the gasket any time I have either inspection cover off the primary case. Well, both times so far anyway. In fact, I keep 2 spare of each gasket on hand, since my dealer is 90 miles away.

I drain the primary lube after while it is warm. Be sure to stand the bike upright to get most of it drained. I just dump in one full quart of Amsoil 20-50 and forget about it until next time.

I always check the engine oil hot and idling, as many others do. Seems to be the most consistent that way. Just don't try that on your lawn mower!
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Svh
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will be first to admit I have never changed those 2 gaskets. Wipe them off and reinstall. I have a few new ones in case they ever start leaking.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mmm milkshake. My 08xt makes that in the winter with HD product. I'll see if it can make it with amsOil next winter.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have not replaced the gaskets - Yet. But will be replaceing the inspection cover gasket Real soon! After taking it on and off about 10+ it is finally leaking. Time to change fluid anyway.

I warm the bike up, better yet having been riding for a while, and then drain the primary fluid. Bike level. Then dump in 1qt through the inspection cover. Never even had the derby cover off.

If you ride a lot, and for an hour+, you will burn off that moister and it will not build up.
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Jphish
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 years & 28K mi - never changed gaskets yet (about 6 oil / tranny changes) So far no leaks. Have spares, just in case.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ride at least 20 minutes, you'll burn off more of the moisture. 5 minute rides are no good...for therapy, or for the bike : )

1 quart on an upright bike should fill it just below the cover gasket. Put in a quart and unless you see leaks...fugeddaboutit for 5k miles until its time to change it again : )

Oh, and I've been known to put a schmear of hylomar on the gaskets to get "just one more" cycle out of 'em.
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Motorbike
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I replace my inspection cover gaskets each time, it is mostly because I don't want water getting in, as I wash my bike often. I'm quite sure the gaskets would be OK for a few on-off cycles but I don't like to take that chance.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like your primary got a wee bit over excited.
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Uly_dude
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Justin, I had the same thing when I bought my Uly last spring. Unfortunately I didn't catch it soon enough and my clutch got destroyed shortly there after. But I think a little of that spooze is normal, you seem to have alot, so for sure change out that oil. I think there's some owners out there that think they only need to worry about the engine oil. That primary oil is just like the lube in your standard transmission in a car. Wrong! At least that's my theory about my bikes previous owner....
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Uly_man
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have never seen that "white" stuff in a engine before. The "brown" stuff is a water/oil emulsion and is caused by water mixing with the oil.

A (as said) cable tie, on the top of the clutch cable boot, is a must if your bike sees any water. It stops water getting into the tranny case and rusting of the cable adjuster as well. A known problem but easy and cheap to fix.
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Jconly
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys, thank you all so much for the replies.
I'll accept that this is bound to happen.

Won't have a chance to ride her for a few weeks since the fluid change as I'm out of town for work, but I'll give it some road time when I get back and will check the buildup again.

Thanks!
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