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Johnboy777
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

K&N BU-9003 Replacement Air Filter
for Buell XB's @ $55.43 -- Free shipping

http://www.amazon.com/BU-9003-Replacement-Air-Filt er/dp/B000E28J0C



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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm all for a deal, but you're only saving ten(ish) bucks over going with American Sport Bike and supporting a sponsor that will support us long into the future.

Half price, I'll sway. But ten bucks, I'll support American Sport Bike.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

""I'm all for a deal, but you're only saving ten(ish) bucks over going with American Sport Bike and supporting a sponsor that will support us long into the future.

Half price, I'll sway. But ten bucks, I'll support American Sport Bike.""


It’s good to see that your loyalty is not misplaced – I imagine that if you were short $10 on your next mortgage payment, to a man, they’d all step up and see to it that you got that $10.

I need to add that one to my loyalty list:

God
Family
Country
Friends,

Oh yeah, and advertisers.

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Zac4mac
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trust me on this one - Al and his wife Joanne(SP?) are MUCH more to this community than simple "advertisers".
I work "Parts" at a (also sponsoring) H-D/Buell shop and with backorders rampant I get parts from them or send customers to them periodically.
Their customer service is second to none.

American Sport Bike is a VITAL RESOURCE, and it is in OUR best interest to keep them in business, with our business.

Think about where you'll find a front isolator in 10 years...

Zack

<edit> Oh yeah, if you've ever met them, they will instantly be on your list as FRIENDS...

(Message edited by zac4mac on December 30, 2010)
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Johnboy777
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look, this is America - you're all free to over-pay as you see fit.

Good on ya!

Advertisers advertise for one and only one reason - because they
feel-for whatever reason-that it drives more business to their business.

Maybe, some folks here spend more money when they shop,
because they feel they are buying from a friend - I don't do that...but that's just me.

I don't knowingly let my friends (or people I like or even respect)
charge me more than I can buy it elsewhere - regardless of what I am buying.

I'm not a fool.

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2008xb12scg
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nothing wrong with saving a buck. I pay the extra 10 for the advice that comes with it. I bought a part for 6.50 and spent an hour on the phone with Al to help me figure out how to put it on. Granted I'm a mechanical idiot compaired to most here, but if I paid a little extra for some advice, customer service ect. I feel it was well spent. I don't think it makes me a fool either. Now to save 20 or 30....
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How much do you pay for membership to this site JohnBoy? Servers don't host themselves...

I buy from Al (and other sponsors) when I can.

First, all said and done, I don't think I am actually paying more at the end of the day. Time and expertise has value.

Secondly, even if I am paying a bit more for the specific item, but getting other things in return, I don't appreciate being called a fool (which seems your implication).

The only fool would be somebody that can't understand the value organizations like American Sportbike and Hal's bring to the Buell community as a whole, and that aren't willing to support it... or at least respect and appreciate others that can support it.
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Andymnelson
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I make a choice to support the sponsors whenever possible, but I must admit that I grit my teeth a bit at the thought that no effort is really made to be price competitive. Again, I value the expertise and all that, and I make the choice to support them (in particular A.S.B. and Bumpus), I just wish the effort was there on price.

The struggle I have with this makes me understand Johnboy's stance.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

""Nothing wrong with saving a buck. I pay the extra 10 for the advice that comes with it. I bought a part for 6.50 and spent an hour on the phone with Al to help me figure out how to put it on. Granted I'm a mechanical idiot compaired to most here, but if I paid a little extra for some advice, customer service ect. I feel it was well spent. I don't think it makes me a fool either. Now to save 20 or 30....""

I don’t think I need anyone walking me through replacing my
air filter – but maybe I’m just gifted, in that way.

What I'm seeing here is that loyalty has it's limits - $10, sure - $20 to $30 ...no way!

This reminds me of that old joke where a guy sits down next to a beautiful
woman at a bar and asks; "Will you have sex with me for a dollar?" Outraged, the woman
replies; "are you crazy?" Then he asks her; "How about a million dollars?" "Well, for a million
dollars", she says.

"Okay then", says the man, "Now that we've determined what you are - we just need to arrive at
a price that's agreeable to both of us"

Very funny.

So I guess what I'm hearing here is that even loyalty (or disloyalty) to an advertiser has its price.

And to me it sounds like it's somewhere between $10 and $20.


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Bluzm2
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another angle on the price/customer service thing..

How many of you have visited a REAL hardware store. I'm not talking the big box stores (Lowes, Home Depot, Menards, etc) but a real hardware store.
Think more in the line of Ace, Do It Best, etc. The more Mom and Pop types. Even better is the old school type with a "store dog or cat" worn hardwood floors that have grooves worn in them from so many years of foot traffic. The kind that creak when you walk on them.
The type of store that has stuff stacked to the ceiling and storage rooms in the basement with dusty old bins of items that most folks could never identify if they had to.
In most cases you will pay a bit more at the latter type places. But when the other places don't have what you need, these places do. The weird left hand do framis that no one else has ever heard of. These folks will have 3 different types. And someone that not only knows what they are but how they are used, how to install them, which one is better for which application. Etc. Etc.

If you don't support these type places regularly, they disappear. When you really need them they are gone. The big box stores cannot do what the little guys does. They only thing they have is a better price on usually lower quality items.

There are any number of ways to measure "Value". Only considering cost is very short sighted.
Staying in the hardware store analogy, if they don't have what you need, they can almost always get it. They can pull out the weird "unobtanium" catalog and have it in a few days. Try that the big box store.

I always try to support the local guy when I can.

American Sport Bike and others are like the "real" hardware stores mentioned above. I'll support the hell out of them. If I don't they won't be there when I really need them.

OK, stepping down from the soapbox...

Brad
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Ironhead1977
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The sponsors do need supported. American sport bike has been a great place for me to shop and I feel like I get a fair deal every time I order an item. I hope they are around for a long time.
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Darth_villar
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm fairly sure if 10 bucks is the amount you are going to be short on your mortgage payment, you probably shouldn't be buying performance parts for your motorcycle!

American Sport Bike has helped me personally many times. I chose to go out of my way to support them in any way I can. There are too few businesses that truly care about their products and customers, and American Sport Bike is a business I want to keep around.

Phil
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Goldtooth
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need to add that one to my loyalty list:

God
Family
Country
Friends,


this makes me laugh
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I had more money, I'd choose to spend it at American Sport Bike. And if I need a Buell specific part, American Sport Bike will be the first place I look. I value their service to the Buell community. I try to get common motorcycle items from my buddy who has a small bike shop. I paid a total of $62 for my K&N from his shop and was happy to do so. I like and agree with the hardware store analogy. I shop and "mom & pop" stores when ever possible.

At the same time, money is very tight these days, and ten here and ten there does add up. So I completely understand wanting to get the best deal possible.

While it may not be "our" problem, American Sport Bike is located in Southern California. California is a very expensive place to do business. Al's overhead is much higher percentage wise than big warehouse internet shippers. I don't think the $10 more for that K&N is all that much more increased profit margin. Something to keep in mind.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need to add that one to my loyalty list:

God
Family
Country
Friends,


this makes me laugh


That’s because many people are devoid of all concept of loyalty and honor.

If loyalty and honor to one's God, family, country and friends, makes you laugh...I truly feel sorry for you.

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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I figure if American Sportbike does a good job then they will stay in business. If their prices are too out of line then they will fade into oblivion. I bought a belt from them and it cost me a pretty penny at the time but they had it in stock which saved my bacon. Would I pay out the nose again? Only if the circumstances were such that it made sense. Normally I'm not all that concerned with keeping anyone flush with cash except myself. A fool and his money are soon parted. Would I pay extra for any given part because they are a sponsor here? Only to a point. Do I wonder sometimes if persons on this site go out of their way to promote buying at or from some sponsor to the point of me thinking there is some kind of concerted effort to talk others into buying things they don't really need, yes. I've seen a few folks here that have to sell their Uly's because of financial problems and they have so many spare parts they need to unload along with it. It's no wonder they got themselves into a jam. I personally just buy stuff when it is needed, not because I might need it. And if I have the time to wait, I'll buy it from the cheapest source. I'm sure there are sponsors that sell tires but I doubt anyone is paying through the nose to buy tires from them.

Would I buy the K&N filter off Amazon to save 10 bucks? First off, whenever Amazon claims free shipping it only means that they will hold shipment of your items for a extra week while they try to talk you into a faster non-free shipping method. I've ordered plenty off Amazon and their supposed Super Saver free shipping really does piss me off to no end. If saving ten bucks is worth that extra week or ten days or you are in no hurry then I'd say go for it. If you want your part in a reasonable amount of time then screw Amazon and their scam Super Saver shipping and just spend that 10 bucks more.



(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on December 31, 2010)
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe Johnboy is right, I'm just a ...

but at least im a $20 to $30 and not a $10..
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess the red dots mean I'm not 'posed to say that word.. sorry.
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Goldtooth
Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

johnboy
you do not need to feel sorry for me. it just sounds so bible belt and cliche

team america, f*ck yeah!
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Lt_adderall
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will add my 2 cents.

American Sportbike has been very helpful over the phone to help me resolve and stator/rectifier charging issue and a CEL that showed no codes. All after a HD/Buell dealer handed the bike over to me and said "everything is OK".

HD and many dealers/service departments washed thier hands of Erik and us along with it. It is very "challenging" in the least for any of us to find a good local HD dealership that will retain knowledgeable Buell techs over the long run to help us out. NONE...and I do mean NONE of these local dealerships had any of the parts I have ever needed in stock for my Buells.

I have "resolved" myself that I am going to have to rely more on myself, my own wrenches, the folks in this forum.......

AND A STEADY CONSISTENT, RELIABLE, LONG TERM SOURCE OF PARTS AND HELP.....

And to me that means Al at American Sportbike! I am going to support him and his profits to make it worth his while to stay in business for the LONG HAUL.

If we can not maintain a steady and reliable supply of parts by supporting people who find it worth thier time to stay in business supporting a make/model that has been discontinued then we are all screwed.

Off the soapbox.....
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