| Author | Message | ||
     Motorbike |
Hoarfrost? Can someone please explain what that is? Here in Minnesota we have snow, frost, black ice and just plain ol' ice but I have never heard the term "hoarfrost". I assume it is the same as black ice, which is just a very thin layer of ice that is almost invisible on a blacktop road. It is responsible for many accidents in this part of the country. Thank you. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
That is what the internet is for, looking things up that you want to learn about. http://www.google.com/search?aq=1&oq=hoar+f&source id=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=hoar+frost+definition | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Doc Greg, What is the bearing setup on the Duc wheels? Tried to look it up back not easily done. | ||
| Hangetsu |
Hey Doc, Paolo Pirozzi, an Italian dude who's doing a round the world tour/1200 Multi promo will be in Denver this weekend. Erico Motorsports, the local Ducati dealer will be hosting a meet & greet for him at their shop on Saturday. If you have nothing better to do than heal a broken arm, you should come up for the festivities. http://www.ericomotorsports.com/ | ||
| Towpro |
Al, I think in PA we call Hoarfrost just plain frost. I did a search when Dr Greg first posted that word and I can't find anything that makes me think it is any different then just plain frost. I also notice just Hoar is the same thing as hoar frost. Maybe the Quakers removed Hoar from the name because they did not like the other meaning of the word?  | ||
| Dr_greg |
BTW, what mode were you in ( as I understand it, there are four on your model)...was your ABS and traction control turned off? I was in SPORT mode, with both ABS and DTC (traction control) ON. I'm sure you all know this, but traction control (and ABS also, for that matter) only really "work" in the direction of travel, not perpendicular to it. --Doc | ||
| Dr_greg |
Doc, I really admire your attitude after getting into a mess like that. I don't think I would have been in any kind of mood to write about it. You are obviously one tough guy! I'm glad you are OK and really enjoy all of your write-ups. Just never expected to see this happen to your new bike so soon. I hope you can get another just like it! Love that red color! Yeah, I think I missed the line when the "learn from experience" genes were handed out. The first doc I saw this time asked me (with great trepidation) whether "...maybe it's time to quit riding?..." but I assured her in no uncertain terms that THAT day would not be today. Luckily I have a wife that supports me (well, we courted on my '73 RD350). My kids are beginning to wonder, though... --Doc | ||
| Dr_greg |
Doc remember when I asked you to refrain from taking picture of the sides and bottom of your motorcycles ? Heal up and get well asap and please be careful! Dang, I forgot that!  This time my forearm/wrist/hand seems to be healing well. Swelling continues to go down, and articulation and strength continue to increase. I see the ortho doc this afternoon; my hope is that I just stay in the removable splint, with no surgery. We'll see. --Doc | ||
| Dr_greg |
Al, I think in PA we call Hoarfrost just plain frost. I did a search when Dr Greg first posted that word and I can't find anything that makes me think it is any different then just plain frost. I also notice just Hoar is the same thing as hoar frost. Maybe the Quakers removed Hoar from the name because they did not like the other meaning of the word? I was joking with Mrs. Greg about "hoarfrost," since I didn't really know what that was either. But we looked it up, and it was actually pretty much what I hit. However, IIRC "real" hoarfrost is white, while the patch I hit had lost its whiteness and was absolutely the same color as the road surface. I still like the sound of that word! HOARfrost...  --Doc | ||
| Blake |
A new term may be warranted. "Bitchfrost"? | ||
| Tootal |
Sounds like an oxymoron. A frigid hooker? Take my wife...PLEASE! My wife is so frigid that when she spreads her legs a little light comes on!! | ||
| Midnightrider |
Doc Thanks for the write-up. So sorry it happened and so glad you've emerged with manageable injuries and that indomitable spirit intact. Remember this guy?  Those that know me have noticed the similarities for years. After this weekend when I nearly lost the front tire off my truck doing 70 mph on the interstate they've been calling me Joe Btfsplk all week. Maybe you and I are related..... Heal fast Don | ||
| Hotredjohn |
Doc, Glad you are OK, having just lost my Uly in a crash similar to yours (right hand curve, front tire washed out) I can feel your pain (literally). I have had some other family issues so I have not been able to get another bike (riding my road king for now). Best of luck to you John | ||
| Jphish |
Hey Doc' - while your healing & thinking of a new Duc' ('Doc Duc' has a nice ring as well) there is an argument in 'Beasts' section of ADvrider regarding broken frame on a 1050 Tiger. I put out APB for you yesterday. Hope your arm bones are in full healing mode!! TTFN, j | ||
| Jphish |
PS - at least half of them dont know what they're talking about - i just dont know which half. Discussion of torsional loading & dynamic / knetic forces, yadda yadda. All i know is his frame broke! He apparently had 136# of camping gear - GEEZ - I'd have to put a tent trailer on the top case to get anywhere near that. | ||
| Khelton |
Could have been the beginnings of " Black ice", can't tell it from the asphalt, no shine, no color difference (Message edited by khelton on November 11, 2010) | ||
| Kenm123t |
Doc whats next another Multi strudel ? | ||
| Dr_greg |
An update on my situation...I have nothing to do right now except type on my keyboard, so this may not be worth your time reading... No New Fractures! On Wednesday I finally had my orthopedic appointment, and my good fortune continued in that I was privileged to see Dr. Moheb Moneim, whom I've heard is the best "hand doc" in the state. He came to UNM the same year I did! Anyway, he looked at the X-rays and said, "all I see are old fractures..." Turns out there is a clear fracture of the scaphoid and one metacarpal, but he said "they are like 5 years old! There are no 'new' fractures!" Since I'm a notoriously fast healer, my hypothesis is that those RH fractures happened in Dec 2008 when I hit the deer and totalled my first '06 Uly. At that time my left wrist hurt badly enough that I KNEW it was broken, but I guess I ignored my right wrist, which was apparently also broken. So it "healed itself" and now I have this permanently broken right scaphoid. Therefore, no new fractures, so no surgery, no cast, no "rehab." Just wait for the swelling to go down and the pain to go away...which it is day by day. And I can resume all activities as I am able. Which means I can ride my beloved '06 Uly pretty soon! BOY am I fortunate... The Multistrada 1200S Got a call from the insurance company (State Farm) today...the Milledue is in fact totalled, and they're willing to give me $--,--- (a figure with which I'm satisfied). Tomorrow I'll take my small toolbox down to the dealer, and remove the parts I need to reclaim. I am greatly relieved to find out that it's totalled, despite the minimal apparent damage. It took a couple of hard hits, and I have no assurance that any of the major suspension components (incl. frame) are still themselves straight and in mutual alignment. My Riding Future Over the last few days I've done some serious soul-searching about whether it's time to perhaps do one (or more) of the following: (1) Quit riding motorcycles (2) Consciously ride slower (3) Buy a bike that is in fact slower (e.g. Ural) (4) Restrict myself to dirt riding I've never really thought about any of these options after any of my previous crashes. (1) Well, this would require a huge life-change for me. I started riding in 1957, on a Triumph single-carb 650cc vertical twin, and have continued pretty much non-stop since then. Motorcycle riding has always been one of the principal activities in my life, and in fact contributed to my career as a mechanical engineer. Can't give it up. (2) This makes sense, except that "excessive speed" was not the cause of this crash, nor of any of my others. OK, okay, if I had been going 25 mph instead of 67 mph the corresponding lean angle would have been supported by the frosty road surface. But I was tentative the day before for just that reason, but the road was clear so I thought I was safe the next day. I have never been one of those people who "can't control themselves" regarding speed, etc. Some kids just go nuts on a bike (and some of those turn into racers), but I was always very methodical and self-restrained. (3) Hey, I'd actually love to have a Ural, since then I could take my wonderful dog "Tam" (black lab/shepherd combo) camping with me! But I couldn't have a "slow" bike as my only ride; I guess I've become too much of an adrenaline junkie. The sensory feel of a high-performance bike (especially one like the Milledue) in a spirited rhythm on a twisty road on a beautiful patch of earth just merges with my psychic essence to give me pleasure like nothing else. You all know what I mean. And the right amount of "speed" is a crucial ingredient in that mix. Some people can perhaps get the feeling while "cruising"...not me. Just not in my genes. (4) Even Mrs. Greg agrees that (4) wouldn't help...I've hurt myself more dirt riding than anything else. Granted, the injuries tend to be less severe, but...I just don't get the satisfaction from a pure dirt bike. Not really a very good dirt rider...too self-controlled, I guess. The Next Bike My immediate next bike will be the '06 Uly, which I kept after getting the Multi. I still commute on the Uly, and enjoy it VERY much. It's a great bike, and I've taken many very satisfying moto-camping trips on it. Can't wait to get back on the big guy in a few weeks. So my winter riding (yes, I ride year-round in New Mexico...head south in the winter) will be on the Uly. Woo-hoo! However, I can't resist getting another bike. After owning the 2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200S Touring for three months, I have the luxury of choosing a bike again. Having put almost 12,000 miles on the Duc in three months...I certainly DID get my money's worth out of it. So the long list of contenders is composed of the usual suspects, with a couple more: KTM 990 ADV (or SMT, I suppose) BMW R1200GS (not really interested in F800GS) Suzuki V-Strom Yamaha S-10 (is that what the new Yamaha ADV bike is called?) Triumph 800XC Ducati Multistrada 1200S (I already own the top case and larger side case covers) Paring that down to the bikes that really interest me... Triumph 800XC Ducati Multistrada 1200S Yes, those two bikes are QUITE different. In many ways. Dunno if I could live with the lower power of the XC, and it would be hard to give up the razor-sharp pavement handling of the MTS 1200, but I DO like backcountry camping. Maybe it would slow me down just enough! Gotta do some serious soul-searching over the winter. In the meantime, lookin' forward to gettin' back on the Uly. --Doc | ||
| Froggy |
Thats OK! They will be fine on my 1125R!
(5) HTFU and get a 1125R | ||
| Kenm123t |
Doc a possible solution to your falling issues may be a CAN AM spider. 3 wheels are tripod stable. | ||
| Druelly |
As far as I can tell, the Spider has no "lean" wheel. That scares the heck out of me. Remember early to mid eighties, the 3 wheelers. I can't imagine moving the single wheel (All you engineers might have the explanation) to the rear is going to make it that much safer. Safer???did I really say that word? Sorry not trying to boost the topic... Carry on | ||
| Froggy |
It has advanced ABS and traction control, but it still is flippable. What scares me about it, it drives like a quad rather than a motorcycle. Also, no front brake lever, its all done from the foot lever. It doesn't lean into turns like a motorcycle, hence its driving characteristics. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Doc, Go get yourself another Multi, and then tell us all about it! Use your 06 X for the back country. | ||
| Dynasport |
I have ridden in the NC mountains with a buddy on a Spyder. It does just fine. He absolutely loves it, so much so that he has bought three of them. | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
My wife has a spyder. It is almost the perfect touring bike. | ||
| Dr_greg |
Go get yourself another Multi, and then tell us all about it! After sleeping on it for a couple nights, THAT'S exactly what I'm gonna do. Another red Multistrada 1200S. I loved that bike; it took me across the country in fine fashion. Gonna enjoy the '06 Uly in the meantime as well, as soon as I'm fit. And doggone it, next year I'll be at Homecoming. On some kinda bike... --Doc | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Sure hope I get to meet you, and some other BWBers someday. A great cast of riding characters! | ||
| Ourdee |
Our version of the Jewish saying, "Next Year AT HomeComing" | ||
| Hooper |
I guess there could be an option #5: - Refrain from riding in certain climate/weather conditions. That would be a bummer since you have high mountains nearby, and would put a damper on your year-round riding, but it's certainly a safety option. I ride year 'round here in the Mid-Atlantic region, but in winter, I always say I won't go out if it's below freezing (though I sometimes do) or if the roads are wet from heavy melting or recent precipitation. Reading your story, I just remember how easy it can be during that time of year or at high elevations to have an issue with whorefrost or black ice or leaves or whatever. No problems so far, but...it makes me think. | ||
| Mnrider |
- Refrain from riding in certain climate/weather conditions. I've had close calls and been bitten by riding in frosty and cold conditions. With snow and cold-It sucks but riding will have to be limited. Best wishes on the healing Doc. |
