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Bdrag
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey all,

After readin all the B.S. with the rear wheel bearings and since I am a slim 335 lbs and like to hammer the Uly and load it down and take road trips and not just ride around town and since I did not like how just dang stiff the bearings felt 1500 miles back, I went and spent my bike funds reserve cash on the 2010 rear wheel.

Reserched here and found that American Sportbike still had some in stock. So after a nice talk with Al my new wheel will ship out tommarra ready to install.

Thanks to all those who have gone before me! HAhahaaaaaa. Its only money right? DAMN! Looking at what $350 bucks will buy ya now days I say this is a real steal!

I may take and refurbing my OEM 2 bearing wheel and put a big ole KaKnobby on it for show and a few roads in Colorado when I visit a buddy out there. Anyone got a front wheel they will let go cheap?

BDRAG
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Nobuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good move. For 350.00 bucks it is worth the peace of mind.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had it on before it was officially released . . . just made sense . . . the last thing I want to feel at 2am on a dark highway is that wobbly feeling.

: )

The peace of mind is easily worth the $$.
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Bdrag
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nobuell / Court

Did the color on the wheel match the OEM that came on your bike? Not that its a real big deal since my rear wheel gets cleaned off about every tire change or 2000 miles whichever comes first. HAHahaaaaaaa. My exhaust just trashes my wheel.
BDRAG
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Nobuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered a 2010 XT wheel. It is black, the same as the original 08XT wheel.

My understanding is you can order any color as long as it is available in the 2010 product line. I do not know if this is still the case.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Haven't been able to convince myself to pony up just yet...that damn '06 wheel with the black seal bearings that I put in at the 5k service...it's just doing great.

Of course, I just jinxed my Buelltoberfest trip...lol
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it comes in one color . . hammertone magnesium.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why not just buy a regular 2010 rear wheel? Are the damned ones cheaper? What did they do to get themselves damned? Are all pre-2010 Uly rear wheels damned?

; )
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Bdrag
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well Blake,

Your right. The SOMDABITCHIN 2010 Wheels. Is that Better? HAHahaaaa.

I bought this bike on a closeout whim the night before our fall ride to Arkansas on THAT DAY in October, the last day of Buell, Oct 15 2009.

It has taken me a year to gain the confidence to take the bike anywhere I have had the V Strom which other than a fuel at idle intermittent problem from day 3 its been ROCK SOLID for whenever and whatever ya want to do on it.

I like the more solid feel the Uly has and being a fat old fart with a bad wrist problem, twist twist, and I always have a load of crap in the side cases, I want the reliability factor and confidence I have in the Strom. This wheel will help me there. I hope! HAhaaaa. Now the belt issues is another thing but until I bust the first one I will ignor it with a spare on board.

I really like this weird assed bike for some reason.
BDRAG
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bdrag, If you have a spare belt you might want to put it on now in the comfort of your garage. The new ones fit really tight and are a bit of a pain to put on. Put it on now and keep your old, pre-stretched, one as your spare, much easier to put on at the side of the road!
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Bdrag
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tootal

I plan on installing it when I install the new wheel. I only have 5500 on the bike now, will have 6500 after the Hill Country ride in a week or so. The rear Scorpion should be dead then as well.

I am also taking my LC 1500 since its a LC Forum gathering combined with my fall ride with my rideing buddies. Trailering down, I KNOW, But can you ride two bikes at once? HAhahaha. So if the Buell decentigrates I have a spare bike. HAHahaaa.

So in a few weeks the bike will have a new rear wheel, new Belt and New tires. WOW! A new bike for another 3000 miles! AHhahaaaa.

If I keep replacing all the parts that go bad before they go bad, whats a warranty for? HAHahaaa. Damn! I will refurb my OEM wheel once the 2010 is on. Now where am I gonna store that thing? DAMN!

BDRAG
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good plan! I know what you mean too. My 06 has everything the 2010 has except the different fuel injection! I loved how Buell made the bikes upgradable.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You fitted the new oil pump, cam box, and bigger crank pin to a 2006 model? I didn't think the '08 oil pump and cam box were retrofittable to earlier models.
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Blasterd
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got to get me one of those damned wheels, The one I priced was 550.00, 350.00 is so much damn better!
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, it's amazing what you can do with bubblegum and bailing wire!!
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The one I priced was 550.00, 350.00 is so much damn better!




After a tire, sprocket, rotor, hardware, and installation, yea you are easily above $550, but a bare wheel is $350ish
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Uh Tootal? Is that a yes or a no? Sorry, I'm incredibly dense sometimes.
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, I assumed you were flaming me over my obvious deficit in ALL the upgrades to the engine. I mentioned the fuel injection but I should have just said engine improvements to cover all the bases. My point was that there have been several improvements that were retrofitable. Once you had flamed me I just thought I would make fun of myself and my error. In my industry we sometimes have to make quick, short term repairs to keep a machine running till a more convenient time allows us to fix it correctly. These short term fixes are jokingly known as using bubblegum and bailing wire. My engine is stock 06 with Erik's racing ECM. Sorry I misunderstood you.
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Bdrag
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blasterd

Yes you do and yes it is! HAhahaaaaaaaa.DAMN!
BDRAG
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Hunn
Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am a slim 335 lbs and like to hammer the Uly
335lbs ? Holy crap ! That's my wife and me and some luggage ! Why a new rear wheel ? Better sealed wheel bearings for $26 each would have done the job for another at least 5500 miles!
Changed my 06 (red!) bearings after 25.000 miles and they were still as smooth as a babies behind.
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Tootal
Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hunn, I believe there were some bad wheels or spacers out there causing the failures. No proof, just opinion. It seems the folks who had failures tried the new bearings and had them fail. I pulled my original's out and they were fine but I put the new style in anyway. When I put the new wheel on I checked the bearings and they were fine. Etennuly says all the ones he saw fail had water in the hub. Others reported failures that were dry so who really knows. All I know was I liked the idea of the new wheel. On high performance Harley's they use the three bearing wheel setup and they are pumping 145 ft. lbs. of torque with no problems. If you haven't had any issues then you must have a good one. There is just one thing you might do if you haven't already and that's using anti-sieze to install the bearings and coat the sides of the bearing to help keep the metal races from rusting. If they start to rust then the rust will push the side seals open allowing water in. That's just another theory but hey, it couldn't hurt!
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Nobuell
Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tootal

I like the rusting theory. You may very well be correct regarding rusting ultimately causing damage to the seal surface thus allowing water to more readily enter the bearing. When my bearings let go, there was no sign of water in the wheel but bearing seal degradation may be part of the failure mode.

The bottom line is the seals in the bearings were never designed to be the primary or first line seal. There should always be an external primary seal. That is standard correct design practices.

I love my Buell and its unique design attributes but, I believe Buell missed the boat on the wheel design. The new 2010 wheel, in my opinion, is correct.

My last tire change on the 2010 wheel had no indications of water infiltration and the bearings were smooth as glass.
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Whitj
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hunn
Where did you get the new bearings?
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Hunn
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Nealy Bearings", Grants Pass, OR a local supplier for me. (541)291 9897
Gave them the numbers of the old bearings and told them I wanted a higher quality set.
These guys are really pros when it comes down to bearings. They supply me with all the bushings, bearings, chains and belts to keep the machinery in the vineyard/winery where I work going.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

It seems the folks who had failures tried the new bearings and had them fail.




Yep, I am one of them, even aftermarket bearings failed me on my trip to homecoming. 2010 wheels are on my shopping list.
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Bdrag
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 05:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy

You mention that WHEELS are on your shopping list.

I have not noticed any posts mentioning the front going bad even though they are the same bearings correct? Is the 2010 front wheel any different than the others? Just wonderin oh wise one.

BDRAG
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Jlnance
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bdrag - If my memory serves me, the fronts are 6005 while the rears are 6006 bearings. So the front is slightly smaller.

But you are correct, there has not been a rash of front bearing failures on any year Uly that I am aware of. The bearing failures are a rear wheel issue, for whatever reason.
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"But you are correct, there has not been a rash of front bearing failures on any year Uly that I am aware of. The bearing failures are a rear wheel issue, for whatever reason."

And that in itself is interesting. Nearly the same bearing and seals. What are the differences?
Final drive and suspension.
I think the failures are more a result of final drive and the loads produced with suspension travel and have thought that the 3 bearing setup is the fix since the first time I became aware that there was a problem.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Froggy

You mention that WHEELS are on your shopping list.




I got 4 babies to take care of, 3 of which have the 03-09 wheel : )




quote:

Is the 2010 front wheel any different than the others?




No. Front wheel bearings so fail, but nowhere near the rate of the rears. Buell did have a service program years ago to update the FAG bearings on the 2003 XB's to the orange seal ones.
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Tootal
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice to see someone else's garage is as full of crap as mine is!!
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Blasterd
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If rusting is bad then my front bearings will go before my rear. I have the orange seal bearings on the front of mine and they are all rusty, rear bearings (Black seal) looked perfect and are smooth at 9000 miles.
Jeez I don't want the front ones to go...
The 2010 wheel is on my list as well.
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Tootal
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blasterd, order a set of the new front bearings when you order your wheel. When you install them coat all steel surfaces with some antisieze to help keep them from rusting.
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Blasterd
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tootal, I may have to pony up for some front bearings soon since it will be a while before I can swing the 2010 wheel.
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