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F22raptor
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Barkbuster,it all sound so familiar....Must have been my imagination!
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Rwven
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got a few thou on mine now....still lovin' it.
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Barkbuster
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the tour Brian. I just barely beat the rain home but did have 5 miles of wet roads and got the bike all dirtyHope to get some bigger rides in with ya before the seasons over.May be one shaping up for the weekend in the other corner of the state
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Motorbike
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Barkbuster, did you place an order for your ECM and just stop in and pick it up? Can the public just stop in at Erik Buell Racing and buy an ECM right off the shelf? Did you need an appointment?

One of my brothers lives about 30 miles north of Erik Buell Racing. I was thinking about driving by Erik Buell Racing and buying an ECM next time I go to visit him. Thanks.
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Barkbuster
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I emailed sales and he said come on over, got there before 100 pm and they were back from lunch but you could probably drive up knock on the door and if they got it in stock you can get it. have a nice ride!
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Rock712
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've installed it and love it BUT now have to bring it in for the 5000 mile service. How bad will the dealership ding me?
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

now have to bring it in for the 5000 mile service. How bad will the dealership ding me?




Call your dealer for a quote, but the 5k service on your bike is an oil change and general checkup. You can do it yourself in half an hour for less than $50 in materials even with synthetic oil.
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F22raptor
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make sure they at least CHECK the primary-chain tension,the MOST overlooked item on a Buell,I can hear a loose chain from 100 ft,Brian
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Ray_r
Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2010 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I still can't find any cause for my continued surging in the 5-15% throttle range, so I took it to the dealer to check for intake air leaks and potentially a new TPS. Mine is an 09 with Drummer SS and K&N.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

an 09 with Drummer SS and K&N

...your problem is right there. Don't care what "they say", you're moving a lot more air, both in and out of that engine, with that muffler and filter. If you have a stock ECM, it's outside the parameters of where it can adjust to.

If there's no leaks found, support EB and get one of the new ECM's. Rode with a badwebber yesterday on a race-kitted Scg and he commented a couple of times how my Uly just "took off" from him on the road, with the EB computer, stock pipe, and K&N. And a full set of bags.
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Ray_r
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 12:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's why I posted in this thread. I have an Eric Buell Racing ECM. I paid my $250. And yes, it's the ECM designed specifically for this configuration.

(Message edited by Ray_r on September 27, 2010)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How long ago did you get it? I know RWVen had a couple of iterations - throughout the development process with EB - and at last report I think they nailed it.

Email EB, give them your purchase date and setup, and see if they've come up with any updates since yours was produced. I want to say that on the '08-up, they've had 2 or 3 revisions...but I could be wrong (mine's just an '06).
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Tiltcylinder
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Installed my new 'racing' ECM last week and put 600 miles or so on it this weekend. Finally, the bike runs like it should. Pulls from anywhere in the rpm range, 1,800 rpm at cold start-up and fan at 15mph and above. Can't say it's any cooler but I've grown accustomed to the warmth and winter's coming! Mileage has remained the same @ about 48mpg. I'm happy
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Ray_r
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't have the receipt in front of me, but I want to say I ordered it in the May-June time-frame this year. I've already been in email contact with the folks at Buell racing.
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Pauley2000
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Comparable to the cost of a Jetting kit for a 4cyl bike.
And a lot easier to install.
Just don't put it back in the stock location.
-p
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Godspeed2k10
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, i give...where's the best place to put it?
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Pauley2000
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

See the Cracked ECM thread.
Rwven has some pics in the new tuck too.
-p
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Rwven
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Relo pics



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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll be watching. Only track use and trailered.
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Rwven
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I'll be watching. Only track use and trailered."

Of course! ...goes without saying...
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Santafe
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Installed the Erik Buell Racing Race ECM on my 08 XB12XT last weekend. Been riding it all week and have to say it's a big improvement. I have the old Buell Race Pipe and a K&N and, since I had to remove the exhaust servo, I was getting the light all the time. Now it's out and the performance is smooth throughout the rev range where before it had to rev high to get the surge of the Race Pipe. It feels like there is more power, but it's hard to really say without a dyno before and after. The ECM definitely improved midrange power that I lost when I disabled the servo. I plan to install the American Sport Bike Open Air box kit and see what that does. Money very well spent on the ECM.

Has anyone installed that Open Air Box kit from American Sport Bike? Did it improve throttle response? Was it worth it?

Thanks
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Uly_dude
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I emailed Erik Buell Racing about getting an ECM for my 06 uly, but asked if they would be able to change the fan strategy from 120 secs after shutdown, to 1 sec, or 0 seconds. Their response was, "not able to do any custom programming on the ECM". Does that mesh with other requests any of you guys have asked of them? Or is it just fan settings they don't want to deal with?
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7873jake
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just curious if the Erik Buell Racing ECM is accessible via ECM Spy for the routine maintenance or diagnostic stuff that eventually needs to be done in/with it?
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Gambito
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently a number of ECM's have been returned to Erik Buell Racing because people have messed them up using ECM Spy. I'm not sure if these are '08+ ECM's with which ECM Spy is not compatible or not. Apart from a TPS reset on older models, what changes do people feel they'd need to make to an Erik Buell Racing ECM? Mess with the stock ECM if that's what you want to do. I've recently been in touch with Erik Buell Racing about some issues with my ECM (wrong map), and I get the impression they're not too pleased about this.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gambito, it is understandable how they feel. They busted their butts trying to make the Race ECM happen, and then everyone has to go and screw around with their work, copy data off it and throw on their buddies stock bike, and then wonder why everything runs terrible. Then they go and complain to Erik and the gang that it doesn't work, then whine about it on the web how terrible the ECM is if it won't run after being ruined by an aftermarket hack.

I haven't tested an Erik Buell Racing ECM with ECMspy, but I would imagine it works. Other than a TPS reset, or running diagnostics I wouldn't recommend its use. If you need to custom map your bike, Erik Buell Racing has their own software you can get that will work better.

Uly_dude, you don't want the fan to only run for a second after shutdown. Also, it is based off a temperature sensor, not a timer.
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Rwven
Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Erik Buell Racing sells a software package and interface if you feel you have to mess with ECM. Personally I'd rather have them do it, they certainly have been accommodating thus far.
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Uly_dude
Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually I do only want it to run for 1 second, if not at all after I shut it down. I don't believe that that 2 minutes of blowing hot air really helps after I turn it off. I'll come into the garage idling after a 2 hour ride, fan not running the whole time(thank you comfort kit)and as soon as I shut it off the fan start wailing for two minutes. Like that's really helping things now. And it is two minutes, just like the manual says, exactly. So it is timed in some manner. Must be on the ECM. I know there's a temp sensor involved but how come it doesn't blow while the bike is running, but then comes on when I shut it down? I think the fan logic is full of illogic for this model yr. and I'd like to fix it alittle. However, I don't like the new fan logic either cause I want my fan to run when I am stuck in traffic going 5 miles an hour. I think that's important. And contrary to someone out here, the fan does NOT shut off if you use the red kill switch on the throttle side, I've tested that theory.

Though I do agree, its throwing money down the drain if you buy the Erik Buell Racing ECM and then mess with it using ECMSpy. That's why I asked if they would change the value for me. I haven't messed with that program yet on my bike(it runs really good)but I bet somewhere in those tables there's one for 120 seconds of run-the-fan-after-shutoff-at-a-certain-engine-temp !
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Rwven
Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rig up a relay in line with the fan circuit that opens when the ignition is turned off. Your fan won't run on shut down, you won't forget to turn the fan on like you could with a manual switch and it won't cost any more than shipping the ECM back to Erik Buell Racing.
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F22raptor
Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Due to the fact that the fan control circuit and driver is located in the ECM,"RIGGING-UP" a relay in the fan circuit will result in a check-engine lite and fault code for "control circuit open or short to ground"
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Rwven
Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No it won't, because the relay will be closed as soon as you turn the ignition on. This is only to prevent the fan from running on shutdown, not to control the fan during riding.
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