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Pizat
Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just looking for some thoughts/personal experience before I buy. I'm 6' tall and the wind off the front seems to start hitting me just below my chin and up.

I'm wondering if I can get the majority of the wind up over my helmet by adding the bracket to my stock x windshield. Thoughts? Thanks guys.
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Gusmiami
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm also 6 feet tall and have the same issue. Would like to know if this will help. Anyone?
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Badrap
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm 6'-3" and have the bracket set at its highest setting and tilted back as far as possible. It takes the air buffeting off of my throat and puts the air buffeting in my face. I like it better than stock but its still not right. I did try the different settings on the bracket and found that setup to be the best for me. When you tip up the shield it in essence puts you farther from the shield allowing more turbulent air to hit you. I think a new, bigger shield without the kick up would be the best option.
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Badrap
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is also allot of air that goes under the shield now, which does help smooth out some of the flow but I would like to try modifying that air with something. Palmer sells a stainless plate that goes in there for winter use. If you can adjust the amount of flow it lets by, I bet it would make it even better. I would also buy the support brackets at the time of purchase. It helps keep the shake down and takes some of the load off of the fly screen bolts. Added benefit I like is the ability to clean behind the shield now.
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 01:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Um...6'1" here...34 inseam. Gotta be accurate. Palmer plus the Palmer big shield gets it just over my head with shield all the way up and pushed forward.

Better to have a smooth flow on your face/helmet than banged around with weird air blasts from a shield that really can't get the air over and around your head. I have a bigger shield yet that is much smoother. I think the Palmer and the Uly tall shield are about right for small shields and smoother air to face and my big big shield for colder weather. The Palmer big shield is just about too small to stop buffeting and too large for a smooth flow to face with my size. Euly
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Pizat
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was also considering adding a laminar lip to the stock x windshield. Palmer bracket or laminar lip?
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Gusmiami
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't necessarily want the wind completely off me, just don't want it pounding me in the neck or directly on my helmet. Just seems like right now it's funneled to just under my helmet's visor.
Riding my Brutale is actually better and that has no visor at all. That's obviously because the wind is evened out and not funneled to any one spot like on the Uly.
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Jphish
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Palmer brackets with 16" Parabellum (maybe 18" for you taller folks) works great. 4-5" wider than ZG or Palmer medium & curved to facillitate air flow around.
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Gusmiami
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

man I just hate the way the uly looks with the taller screen. I know you can't have everything, but like I said before, I don't need to be completely shielded from the wind....just don't want it to blast me directly in the head or neck.
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Arkaybee
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Palmer bracket with Uly tall shield. Am 5'10" w/ 32" inseam. Have the bracket at the tallest setting and tilted back toward the front wheel. Riding w/ a Shark RS2 helmet. Good over-the-helmet flow. My biggest issue is with the air coming up from underneath causing a VERY loud thrumming on the side of the helmet. Hearing loss loud with standard 33 db ear plugs. Have to use mouldable silicon to fill the entire opening of the ear over the inserts to ride comfortably.
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Gusmiami
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's pretty much the problem I have now. Granted, my Arai Profile helmet doesn't seal up for crap underneath and that's where I get the airflow/noise from......from the airflow being right at my neck.
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Arkabee...it may be coming up the frame/airbox. Hold your hand down there at highway speed on one side and see if buffeting ceases on that side. Eulysses
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm a tall fella and found that the bike is much better without the screen at all!
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Rfp52
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you tried a set of Memphis Shades lower wind deflectors (universal) clamped to the fork tubes?

http://www.memphisshades.com/lowers
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Tk052
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am 6 feet tall and have the Palmer brackets on a stock Ulysses XB12XT windshield and it is set to the high setting and tilted back and works just fine for me, but I think if you are 6 feet tall or more with the standard XB12X, you'll need to buy a taller screen. As for the Palmer brackets, I like the option of adjustment if I am on back roads when it is hot out, I change the height so air hits me to cool off!
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Gusmiami
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tk052, any chance you could post some pictures of your bike with the brackets and the stock screen?
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Cteza69
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi all. Am 6'1", and got the Palmer brackets on a 2010 XB12XT Ulysses.
I've mounted the Palmer Plate as well, which helps but not so much (not shown on the pictures below).
Support brackets are, IMHO a must with stock XT screen or anything bigger. The flyscreen is only plastic...
Found out this morning that stock mirrors are also diverting air toward my helmet, adding to the confusion. Changed these yesterday for Tuono mirrors from American Sport Bike and it's much better. Riding 100 mph was a lot easier than with stock mirrors.
Tuono mirrors are more ovale, positioned lower, therefore penetrating better in the air - in addition to giving a much improved vision of what's coming in from behind.
Screen is in the upmost position, tilted forward in the mid position.






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Husky
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RFP52:"Have you tried a set of Memphis Shades lower wind deflectors (universal) clamped to the fork tubes?"

Yes, I have them on my 08XT, along with the Madstad 18" and adjustable mount.

The Shades virtually eliminated the wind noise and the Madstad system keeps the wind off of my helmet (5'8" with 29" inseam) for touring.

The shades alone helped most with noise. Cutting the 2" curled lip off of the stock screen and using the Madstad system eliminated the helmet buffeting, putting the air smoothly on my chest and in my face; great for short distances and good weather.

Husky
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Pizat
Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone 6'+ try the Laminar Lip on the stock X windshield?

I have a feeling the lip will help put get the air up over me a little more rather than funnel it into my face.
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Gsilvernale
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I tried all the positions on the Palmer brackets with both the tall and stock windscreens. I am 6'2".

The tall windshield is the ticket, but you still get buffeting. When I put on a big ass tank bag, all the buffeting disappeared. Its the airflow under the windshield that is causing the problem.

So I manufactured (for about $10), a set of deflectors mounted to the front forks. They do the job - without having the big ass tank bag in place.
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Motorbike
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 08:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gsilvernale, do you have any pics of the deflectors you fabricated? I was considering doing something like that or looking to see if I can purchase some from Memphis shades.

I have the Palmer Brackets and stock XT shield. Highest position and tilted to the middle notch. I am 6'0 and this works well for me but is not quite perfect yet.

I don't have any kind of tank bag (big ass or small ass) but I do notice a lot of air coming up below the windshield on each side and it seems to be directed upwards due to the shape of the frame/fuel tank. Thanks.
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Gsilvernale
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hope these help.
I bought some Lexan, aluminum flat bar stock, 4 stainless steel nuts and bolts, and 2 hose clamps.



THe bar stock goes all the way across the forks. The front fender was removed, and the bar stock was mounted using the holes from the fender mount. I did not have to modify the fender, and I reused the bolts that were mounting just the fender so that now it mounts the fender and bar stock.



Then I cut the sheet of Lexan up into two pieces. (1 for the left and 1 for the right). And mounted the Lexan to the Bar stock using the Stainless Steel nuts and bolts.




The hose clamps were put around the forks and do not attach to the Lexan. The Lexan just rests against the screws for additional support. Actually the Lexan is kind of pinched between the hose clamp screws and the housing.





I originally planned to round off the Lexan and make it look pretty, but I have not gotten around to that.
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Motorbike
Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Gsilvernale, nice work!
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