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Homeslice3
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All right - I've been waiting to get a Uly for some time now (sold my Guzzi two months ago) and finally will be ready on November 17th (I sold a rental property and close on that day) to head to a dealer with cash in hand.

Question - Should I get an 06 or an 07? There's decent deals to be had for an 06 - but I've sat on one and it's a bit tall for me:

5'8''
190
30 inch inseam.

I guess what i'm asking is will the 06 with a lower seat be a better fit for me vs the 07 with the reworked suspension. Is there that much of a difference between the bikes?
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What kind of prices are being quoted for each bike?

We are the same height and inseam,I'm happy with my '06 Uly with a '07 seat.

Cost for '07 seat: less than $120. The '07 seat should lower the seat height enough to make you comfortable.
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Brad1445
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would get the 07, it addresses many things I thought were needed, but I personally prefer 06 seat height.
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If it is more than a $1,200 less get the '06, if not the '07 has enough improvements that it'll be worth it.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With the 07 you get the upgraded oil pump, better air box cover and calibration, lower stock seat, different TPS gizmo, non rusting muffler, fixed kick stand. I'd go for the 07. Don't forget the depreciation built into older model years. Why get the bugs inherent with the 1st year model. Each year will be better. There was plenty of changes over the years on the Harley Evo engines and also with the twin cam engines. They work the kinks out as they rear their ugly heads. 07 is better than 06. They are not equal bikes no matter how similar they appear.
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Thunderbox
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think if you do some checking you will find that all Ulys have the upgraded oil pump. Buell changed the pumps on all 06 models.
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Khollister
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

According to info I saw, the actual pump change was 07 only. There was supposed to be an in-line change to the bronze oil pump gear somewhere in the 06 run.
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Daves
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They changed the GEAR in 06
The PUMP in 07
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Teeps
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Daves,

Were there oil pump issues with the '06? I haven't read any accounts of failed oil pumps here or on the ADV web site.

Do you think that Buell will issue a product update on the oil pump?
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Daves
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No there weren't any real issues with the 06 oil pumps.
The 07 pump scavenges a little better
They both flow the same as far as I can find in the service manuals.
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Chinook
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

if you go with the '06 you'll want....

'07 airbox $37
'07 seat (the best of all 3) $120

my '06 had the sidestand already fixed - May production date.

if i were saving a grand or more, i would use that money to buy GPS, Radar Detector, RAM Mounts, Tank Bag, Tall windshield, oh, the list goes on and on!!!
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Xbimmer
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm interested in whether the ping goes away in '07...
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Paochow
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

if i were saving a grand or more, i would use that money to buy GPS, Radar Detector, RAM Mounts, Tank Bag, Tall windshield, oh, the list goes on and on!!!

Yup, I used my saving for Buell Factory Bags, a Race Kit, a used Cee Bailey +2.5, and a few other farkles.
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Brad1445
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would think the 07 front suspension is worth a chunk more.
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Paochow
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 01:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually its only about $45 for the springs and $10 in fluid. See http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142838/226021.html?1158930870

Buell parts are cheap.

(Message edited by paochow on October 14, 2006)
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Bosh
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We say "inexpensive" here.
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Brad1445
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thank you Paochow
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Chinook
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

what ping? premium fuel solved it for me
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Brad1445
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have only ever used premium, but the only way I found not to ping on a hot day is dont stop, ever.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Has anybody with an '06 had the opportunity to ride and compare an '07?

True the seat/tires/fork springs/air filter cover are pretty inexpensive upgrades and you can recover some of the cost by selling the '06 parts (especially the stock seat, lots of riders like it regardless of the height), but if the '07 intake together with '07 ECM programming produce better engine management then what else is left to make the '07 an actually better bike?

Even after buying up the '07 upgrades including whatever it took to reflash the '06 ECM, you'd still be hundreds of bucks ahead, but maybe I'm missing something...

Not to hijack the thread, but the '06 ping is real and if the '07 eliminated it I want the '07 fix! I've always used big-brand premium. The warm or hot day uphill accel or even fwy roll on, met with the dreaded rattle, is more than frustrating.

I know ping from mechanical noise, every day I head home from work via So CA's Conejo Grade, people all around me who use cheap gas because it's economical rattling a symphony up that hill, economically reducing their car's efficiency and lifespan.

Brad1445, get the '07 filter cover, or swiss-cheese the front and left side of your '06 and block off the right. My bike hasn't pinged all week with the '07 cover. I don't pretend to know why not. I don't care. My mpg avg does seem to have gone from 44-46 to 42-44, but that could also be because I've riding the snot out of the bike this week.
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My personal opinion is get the '06 and do the '07 mods as you feel necessary. I bought my '06 in July when they were starting the big discounts. I got my '06 with bags for the price of an '07 without. I changed to the '07 seat, inner airbox lid and ECM Flash, and have the front springs on order. Even with my additional farkles, I'm still under the price of an '07 with bags I bet.
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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

'06 Standard Seat




'06 Low Seat




'07 Standard Seat


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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

'06 Standard Seat




'06 Low Seat




'07 Standard Seat


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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 01:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All three seats with the '07 Closest, '06 Low in the middle and '06 Standard. The '07 has a slight reach advantage on the '06 Low. In this picture you can see the different form of the neck of the seat.



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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

'06 Standard,




'06 Low, '07 Standard






Note how the '07 narrows in the front more than the '06 Low.
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Beachbeemer
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 06:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M2nc, good pics. First picture comparisons I've seen. What's you inseam?
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Ulywife
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M2nc has a 29" inseam.
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The last pic really shows the hard to explain difference in the '07 standard and '06 low. The '07 has very defined triangle for sitting on that is an extremely comfortable firm cushion that is wide where it needs to be and then a defined transition into the narrower more rounded tank area. This seat really makes long distance riding more comfortable in the triangle part and slow speed parking lot maneuvers where you need to move around much easier. I find the narrowness a much better design than before. My biggest gripe about the '06 standard was the width/squareness up front and the seams cutting into my legs. After that, the cushion was too soft for rides longer than 20 minutes. I miss the cockpit room for my legs now though. Well worth the trade-off of increased comfort.
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Teeps
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Teeps Posted on Friday
Daves,
Were there oil pump issues with the '06? I haven't read any accounts of failed oil pumps here or on the ADV web site.
Do you think that Buell will issue a product update on the oil pump?


Daves Posted on Friday,
No there weren't any real issues with the 06 oil pumps.
The 07 pump scavenges a little better
They both flow the same as far as I can find in the service manuals.


If the '07 has better oil scavenging. That could explain how the oil level changes from ride to ride, going from X down an 'X' or two, then back up, on my '06.

NOTE: I check the bike's oil level parked in the same place in my garage, after returning from a ride.


(Message edited by teeps on October 17, 2006)
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Ulywife
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the seams cutting into my legs

That was also one of Carlos' complaints besides the height issue.

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Dragon_slayer
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brian, with your money and height conditions, '07!
With that said, ask yourself, will I keep this bike 3-4 yrs. and leave it stock, '07, or will I keep it a longer time and modify it, '06?
Good luck and enjoy, "The Slayer".
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Dragon_slayer
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Has anybody with an '06 had the opportunity to ride and compare an '07?"
Xbimmer, I like my '06 a lot better!
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I helped with the test drive event at Smoky Mtn HD in August. I rode the '07 a couple of times and found the bikes to be very similar in all respects, except the seat. I have the '06 stock and the '06 low. The '07 seat is noticeably softer. Other than that, at the speeds for a test drive, no differences were obvious.
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Homeslice3
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm definitely going with the '07. Gonna skip the stock bags, want something more metal looking..

Thanks for all the input and those photos of the seats are just awesome.

Now the big question is which color is faster, Black or Orange????

hmmmm...
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