| Author | Message | ||
     Portero72 |
I sent an email to EBR with questions about the race ecm for an 09 and got a response within hours(that effing rocks!). This is what I was told; The race ECM will run with the stock muffler. We realize that many folks want a low cost trackday upgrade, and so it will run just fine without having to buy a race exhaust. If you have the exhaust with servo the ECM is smart enough to know that and it will utilize the valve. You will gain little peak power as that is more a function of the exhaust capability, but you will gain in midrange power and drivability. If you choose to go to a slip-on muffler like a Drummer or the old Buell P&A muffler in the future, the ECM will also work with this. It will recognize that there is no muffler valve and so will not do anything and will not send an error code. Put my order in 5 minutes after I read it. | ||
| Sharkguy |
My idle on the 09 w/ race ecm is a bit rough until the bike heats up, then smooths out. It cycles between 1500 and 2000 rpms and coughs/spits a bit until warm. All seems normal and idles around 1050 when warm. I am running stock airbox with the washable Buell filter and stock exhaust for now. My stock ecm never idled rough or high, even when cold. | ||
| Terrible1one3 |
My '06 with the old race ECM, drummer, and cut-intake like I said above has NO idle issues or running issues for that matter. It really does ride 100% like a stock bike. Doesn't even hiccup like it used to. I also have 14.5k miles on it running the stock plugs. | ||
| Drunk_uncle |
That is kick ass, the ECM can read whether or not there is a muffler valve and works with stock set up. I am in. | ||
| Pauley2000 |
Erik brings the goods. My '09 Idles fine with the race ECM in. A little growlier but at the same RPM as before. Thanks Portero72 !!! -p | ||
| Tankhead |
Hey pauley2000 a couple questions. Could you give us some feedback about the gas mileage now with the race ecm? | ||
| Hangetsu |
ditto | ||
| Pauley2000 |
Not yet, as I haven't even put a tank through it yet. I live in a land of Ice and Snow. So... I'm hoping some Southern Cousins on this forum can answer that before I can. I am keeping stock exhaust and Filter for now. That being said, I would expect almost no change in range from a tank. When I re-jetted & piped my KLR there was no appreciable MPG drop, even with my heavy right ham, I mean hand. -p | ||
| Tankhead |
tanks pauley. 2nd and 3rd question. How did your Uly idle upon starting before the race ECM and also did your Uly surge at all while in 3500 rpm zone before the ecm swap? How does it compare now. tanks | ||
| Pauley2000 |
Started high idle, found itself after a shake or two and settled into the sweetest sounding idle I've heard from it yet. Yes I was tolerating the lean surges through 3000-4000 last year. Not an issue when you're on the gas, but enough to interfere with my chosen cruising RPM. Yes this is the 'fix' that HD can't provide (EPA). Again I have stock pipe and AF as I don't need more top end HP etc. (OK maybe next year  Just want more bat to swing down-low and mid range (where most people spend most of their time. 90% on cruise mode, 20% hard on the gas. -p | ||
| Mattmcc00 |
Anyone have longterm data on the race ECM? reliability issues etc? What about the new comfort kit ECM flash? Supposedly works wonders with the comfort kit scope and fan cowling. would you recommend thie ECM over the comfort ecm? and finally, does the comfort ECM fix the surging aroun 3-4k RPM? or does only the race ECM do that? | ||
| Froggy |
They are the exact same as stock, just programmed a little differently. There is no difference in reliability.
The new Race ECMs comes with the same fan control programming as the latest street legal XB flashes which prevent the fan from running at low speeds.
The latest street flashes will help, but depending on how sensitive you are you may still feel some leanness as they are still bound by the EPA restrictions. The Race ECM does not have those restrictions. | ||
| Tocino |
you may still feel some leanness as they are still bound by the EPA restrictions. The Race ECM does not have those restrictions. That'd be on the track, right? I mean, you can't ride on the street with a race ECM.  | ||
| Eulysses |
Why yes, certainly...only on the track...of course. No streets. Huh uh. No sirree. Would never catch a hooligan on the street with a race ECM. Never. Hooligans are the greenest people in the world. They have little gardens growing on the handlebars so they can pick fresh organic produce on the road. | ||
| Pauley2000 |
Follow up. Two runs this weekend. Wants to pull hard on the gas from downlow. Feels more racy/surgy under 3000rpm while cruising. But...runs out of that hole faster Had issues with a 'miss' at 3000rpm. Almost like a skip spark but not. Day 2, would not hold Idle from a cold start (shed is 60deg F.) Ran fine day 1???? WTF? Running 2-up in Zero Celcius weather, we ran out about 50miles and no issues were encountered this trip. Bike idled fine @ 1000-1050 when warm. Ran higher rpms this trip i.e. >3000. Fast twisties and hills. No miss at 3000, same performance increment.  I will see if there are anymore cold start issues to come. I will assume everything else is the ECM plotting itself. Not gonna improve the racy cruising rpms though. But will drop a heavier hammer when you twist it. It is a Race ECM anyways eh? -p | ||
| Pauley2000 |
This morning. Warm shed, rolled out into near freezing. Would not stay started for more than 30 seconds. Got on and rode easy til warm, no prob. Will try starting it in the shed next time, or swam ECMs and see. The stock never exhibited this behaviour. -p | ||
| Terrible1one3 |
Pauley2000 Sounds like your TPS reset didn't go according to plan, you might want to look at re-doing the procedure. I was having similar issues after swapping the ECM until I did the TPS re-learn at the local Harley dealer I worked at. Since then ZERO issues. | ||
| Pkman |
I just installed the EBR race ECM this weekend. It would not idle when cold until I turned it up to about 7.5 then it raced at 3500 when warm. This morning about 35 degrees it started and idled rough again. By the time I got to work it was at 3500 again. I turned it down to 1050 and it's stayed there. There were trouble codes from disconnecting the ECM and I cleared them. I'll try resetting the TPS again but it's running well now. The fans is the same as my stock '06 ECM. It still comes on after shutdown and it comes on whenever on the highway even with 40 degree ambient temps. It won't shut off on its own. BTW I have stock exhaust, modified airbox and K&N filter. | ||
| Froggy |
Pkman, being that you have an 06, the best method would of been to let it warm up with the stock ECM, then throw on the race ECM, do a TPS reset and adjust the idle. | ||
| Rwven |
On Sunday I ordered the race ECM for my '08. I got the automatic confirmation e-mail but I haven't received any shipping information yet. Should I be expecting any other correspondence or will a package just show up one day soon? I figure the folks at EBR have enough to do so I don't want to burden them with an inquiry if its not needed. | ||
| Froggy |
You will get a tracking number, give them a chance, it has been only 2 business days since placing your order, and there are more important people like me that they are taking care of first | ||
| Rwven |
Froggy, That's why I asked! Thanks | ||
| Pauley2000 |
I had done a TPS reset twice, now new gas, same problem, including a 'miss' at 3000rpm. Swapped in the stock ECM last night and road tested it. (ran fine) and it fired and stayed on first thing this a.m. (when dead cold). Unable to road test today as freezing rain & snow are coming. -p | ||
| Motorbike |
Rwven, Can you please give me a little info as to why you are replacing your stock ECM? I too have an 08 XT. I was finally able to get it out of winter storage last night and took it for a ride for the first time this year. ( That's how we do it in Minnesota!) I thought the bike ran great, other than being just slightly lean at around 3-4,000 RPM, not bad though. This bike was purchased brand new last November so I really don't have much experience with it yet at only 380 miles. What gains are you expecting from the EBR race ECM? Thank you. | ||
| Rwven |
Al, 1. The upper (forward) connector on my stock unit is cracked where it joins the body and I suspect that is causing some speedo and check engine light issues. 2. I'm hoping the race unit will clean up some of the low rpm snatchyness and eliminate the dead spot I get between 4K & 5K rpms. So basically, I'm just experimenting. I'll let y'all know how it pans out. | ||
| Motorbike |
Rwven, did the connector crack from the seat pushing on the ECM? I did a little experiment on mine last night to check the clearance between the seat and the ECM, as I could not see that area with the seat installed. I just rolled up a small ball of clay, about 3/4" diameter, and placed it on top rear of the ECM. I then installed the seat and bounced up and down on it a few times. (I sure hope the neighbors weren't watching!) After carefully pulling the seat off, I measured the thickness of the clay ball. It measured 7/16" which is exactly the distance that the plastic support block on the front ECM screw protrudes above the ECM. I think I will still order and add a support block to the rear ECM screw also, just as a preventative measure. Thanks for your reply. | ||
| Pkman |
Froggy - I guessing from your earlier post I should try a TPS reset after warming it up? | ||
| Portero72 |
Pauley There is a similar thread going on in the XBoard. Click the link below, about 2/3 the way down the page, someone posted correspondence with the tech people at EBR saying that if the race ecm needed a reflash, they would do it for free the first time. Shoot EBR and email with your concerns, I'm sure good things will happen. At least let them know about your issues. Give them a chance to help. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/547086.html?1269344825 | ||
| Rwven |
Yo! Froggy! I've got a tracking number. | ||
| Pauley2000 |
Portero72, e-mail sent. not dissing anything. just stating facts. and assuming it works correctly on all other issues other than the ones I have stated, Rwven, it's even snatchier down low, but no flat spots anywhere. -p |
