| Author | Message | ||
     Unravels |
http://www.ebracing.com/shop/page8.html wondering what the difference between this and the stock map is. Would be cool if it was like the old race ecm that did away with the servo and richen'd up the idle a bit. | ||
| Rwcfrank |
I would love to hear some first hand opinions on this for the Uly. | ||
| Froggy |
From what I have read, it sounds like its tuned for the Buell race pipe. The best one would be the tunable ECM, that way you can set that up as needed. | ||
| Trevd |
Yeah, the tunable one would probably be the best - but $750? Whoa...  | ||
| Paralegalpete |
What lean running problems? My plugs were black and fouled after 5k and I have seen others on here with the same condition. Am I missing something? It would be nice to have a tuneable bike though. | ||
| Towpro |
If we could find someone that really knows the Eprom for the newer modules this fix would be easy (but the EPA says not for street use). You can richen the maps all you want, but the O2 sensors will see this and lean the maps using the AFV (or what ever they call it) This is the value you always reset to 100% when you start tuning an 06-07. The answer is simple. There is a field in the eprom that tells the ECM what the o2 voltage (center voltage) is for 14:1 ratio. Change this field just enough to cause the ecm to run just a little richer. | ||
| Unravels |
The point to this is a solution that is plug and play, and does not argue with the afv value. On a race EPROM, or whatever flavor, the point is the change what the target value is, this EPROM most likely does not chase 100%. It chases a value that allows the engine to run better and cooler. And best of all it was designed by people that know what they are doing when it comes to this specific application. With this I can run a a/m exhaust + intake and not worry about. It will also get rid of my lean cough when the engine is hot. Just my thoughts. | ||
| Buellmeister57 |
Looks like a good way to spend my tax return. I like plug-n-play. | ||
| Sharkguy |
I wonder what kind of race map is incorporated into the plug and play version. I'd be willing to shell out 250.00 to get my bike running right. 750.00!!! Wow, they are proud of it huh? | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Ohhh! now I can get a loud pipe that saves lives! I knew big blue was jealous of my ole' X1's "daytona boss" | ||
| Rwven |
If you send your stock ECM in can they sync. it to the $500.00 programming kit? That would beat paying $750.00 for the whole shebang... | ||
| Froggy |
Software, especially specialty software is expensive. Adobe Photoshop, which is thousands of times more marketable still costs more than this program. GIS software typically runs in the thousands per license. It isn't easy to recuperate the cost of a program when you are only going to sell a couple hundred copies, so the price tag is higher. ECMspy was free because it was a hobby done in the spare time by a handful of volunteers. They did not have an inside line, they had to reverse engineer the ECM, and made the program using good old trial and error. That is why it took so long for them to get DDFI3 compatibility initially, then they retracted the compatibility when they learned more about the different firmwares. | ||
| Id073897 |
The answer is simple. There is a field in the eprom that tells the ECM what the o2 voltage (center voltage) is for 14:1 ratio. Change this field just enough to cause the ecm to run just a little richer. This is an urban legend created by some "tuning experts" - would have been better to watch and understand logfiles before. This value tells the ECM at which voltage the O2 sensor has to be considered inactive. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
+1 on the "tuning experts" I tried to look up the recommended valve clearances for my old $400 1986 Civic. The tool level was very high out there. Took me 16 tries to find the factory recommended clearances. Idiots were all in agreement that ANY lash was powah robbin' yo! They all insisted that they should be closed up for best results. I finally found it in the end: .5mm There is a lot of static out there  | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
06 and 07 Rule. Thank the Lord that is what I got my son. | ||
| Idaho_buelly |
"06 and 07 Rule. Thank the Lord that is what I got my son". Not a big deal,my 09 runs great! | ||
| Hambcastle |
What "race exhaust system" is EBR referring to, and where can I get one? | ||
| Froggy |
This  It will be on the EBR website when its ready for sale | ||
| Buewulf |
I wonder if it rusts! | ||
| Froggy |
Yes, but not as quick as the stocker. | ||
| Ray_r |
It appears to me that the right answer for the cost conscious is to spend the $250 on the plug and play ECM, and if not happy with the results, spring for the additional $500 programming kit to tune to your hearts content. Either way, the final cost would be $750, so you have nothing to lose by trying the more economical solution first. | ||
| Oldnotbold |
I sure haven't seen an rust on mine (even where the side stand sometime hits it). That ceramic coating is pretty tuff. Dennis | ||
| Steve_mackay |
They will rust. Mine did after only about 4K miles. But it was easy to actually take some steel wool to it, and then buff it back to a shine. | ||
| Hangetsu |
"What lean running problems? My plugs were black and fouled after 5k and I have seen others on here with the same condition." I have the same question. We keep hearing about how the XBs are tuned soooo lean to meet EPA standards. Well, I've been changing my plugs with every 5000 service and they consistently come out black and sooty. It runs great, but the plugs are black. Now, maybe things have changes, but back in the day black plugs meant things are running rich and a engine running too lean will turn plugs a light burnt brown color. Has something changed? | ||
| Tiltcylinder |
Plug coloration is subjective. For normal four strokes black or very dark is rich or the wrong heat range plug (cold). White and / or blistered is lean or a too 'hot' plug. My personal preference has been light on one side and light coffee brown on the other, fuel coming into the cylinder 'sticks' and colors one side of the plug, the other side remains pale. 'Sooty' and or thick build up is an idicator that oil is getting in there, some strange additive(remember rusty red plugs due to the MTBE) or it's running very very rich. To really see if the plug is ok it's actually necesscary to look into the area deeper into the plug, you will also see the difference in heat ranges there. Deeper is hotter running and shallow is cooler (allows more heat to escape to the head). | ||
| Johnboy777 |
The Plug Whisperer . | ||
| Xpchandler |
Assumable the ECM has both an open loop and closed loop system. The narrow band O2 sensor(s) are utilized only in the closed loop mode. Closed loop is generally light throttle and within a specific RPM range. That is were the EPA test emissions. When in open loop the ECM looks only at the other inputs (RPM, temperature, load/vacuum, etc) and then references tables to control the EFI (AF ratio). Manufacturers generally set the system up to run lean in closed loop and then over compensate for this condition in the open loop I have NOT seen any really knowledgeable posts on the interworkings of the Buell ECM. I’m only speculating by what other systems typically do. | ||
| Froggy |
Thats exactly how it works. Come over to the 1125R section to see it in detail. |
