| Author | Message | ||
     Eulysses |
Regarding the accessory sale on selected Buell accessories, I called Eastside in Bellevue WA and they figured out the accessory deal while reading the letter from Harley. Latus in Portland would go down 50% off retail but Eastside went deeper. The deal was 75 off the dealer list cost...and then they mark it up from there. They could have given us 75% off but more like 65%. The Journey's are on sale...liners, tank bags and tail back pack. Might me others. They have a list and you have to say what you want. This goes on while parts last. Need some accessories? | ||
| Ksc12c |
Do you have a phone number and contact for Eastside? Kev | ||
| Unrealtrip |
14408 NE 20th St Bellevue, WA 98007 (425) 702-2000 I just called them, parts dude said they mostly have small parts on hand, blinkers, etc. Occasionally he'd have a seat, but I guess even before letting Buell go they really didn't carry much. He said they can order things, but then there is no deep discount, just clearing out stuff on hand. Incidentally, they were WAY, WAY friendlier than my local HD and still answered the phone as Eastside Harley Davidson and Buell. | ||
| Eulysses |
If you have the parts catalog you can ask them if that item# you want is on the list. I did and ordered a bunch of stuff at 65% off. If you don't have the catalog tell me what you want and I will look up the parts number. | ||
| Johnboy777 |
Eulysses, are you saying that the Journey's are 75% off of retail list? Last I heard they were $1,100 - so you're saying I can get these for $275? John | ||
| Eulysses |
No Johnboy. From what I can get from the sales guy HD is giving them 75% off of dealer cost to move out selected items (like "buying down" the bikes to move them out. I was hoping that would mean 75% off retail but did not...they can mark up from 75% off their cost to whatever they think they can get. Latus marked up enough to make it half-off retail. Eastside marked up to make it about 65% off retail (of selected items). Every dealer has the deal from HD so you can make your best deal knowing how far their cost is underwritten. This goes on till stuff gone. | ||
| Unrealtrip |
Eulysses: Parts guy told me no discount for special order, but you seem to have the hookup? I'd be up to paypal you the total cost plus a service charge you could add for yourself if you could workout a deal on the deluxe tankbag for me.  Not that you're taking orders but... | ||
| Eulysses |
Unreal...it is just what is on the list. That list is from HD to them (pretty sure) and some stuff might be 21 days out...but it all designed to deplete the listed items from the dealers and HD (I gather). So if you want something (and have a parts number) check with the dealer and see if it is on the dump list. The dealer gets 75 off the dealer price...figures back a good profit and gives you the number. Turned out to be 65 off retail in the catalog. They have some gooooood stuff...like the Journeys. Until they are gone. If you need a part number say what you want and I will look it up. (Message edited by Eulysses on November 18, 2009) | ||
| Unrealtrip |
Eulysses: Ahhhhhh ok, I see what you are saying, I didn't get it. They have a special list of clear this stuff out items, and if it is on that list, even if they have to order, it can be had for a reduced price. I got it, ty  I'll check w/my local dealer tomorrow. | ||
| Hungry_j0e |
Wow... this is the first I've heard of this. Does anyone have a copy of the list? Does anyone know specifically *which* pieces of luggage are on sale? (sidecases only? topcases? the whole set? outdoorsman?) Cheers, - HJ | ||
| Mikef5000 |
Can we get some of our dealer reps (sponsors) in here to confirm this stuff? I would DEFINITELY buy some stuff at 50% off. I may go stop by the local shop tomorrow. | ||
| Eulysses |
I believe it is all dealers. I asked about the Outdoorsman and it was not on the list but the Journeys were...whole kit...and the liners. I like them anyway because they are bigger...and pretty tough as bumpers. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I'd take the liners if they're half off. I'd really like some preventative stuff (levers, belt, isolators) but I'm sure that type of thing is not on this discount list. I take it everything on this 'list' is not sticking around for the "7 years". | ||
| Eulysses |
I think the accessories are the endangered items. Not mechanical parts. Accessories usually accommodate new sales. New sales are over and they don't want to get stuck with accessories. (Message edited by Eulysses on November 19, 2009) | ||
| Hungry_j0e |
I called three dealers around me here... one said they didn't know anything about it, the other said that the discounted parts were already gone from Buell... The last guys (Gainesville Buell, site sponsor... lesson learned should have just called them first!) had the list and could speak to it. I ended up getting the full Journey set, liners, and deluxe tank bag about 60% off before taxes, which was the lowest they said they could go. So if you're in the Southeast you can call Gainesville... I spoke to Paul who I think is their parts manager... He also said the list is in no particular order, so it took some time to verify some things that were *not* on the list (tall windscreen namely). Thanks for the info Eulysses! Cheers, - HJ (Message edited by hungry_j0e on November 19, 2009) | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I went to the local 'buell' dealership, they told me that there is absolutely no such thing as this list. Any dealership that says there is must have made it themselves. I told them I'll just call one with a made up list and order my parts at 60% off. Then I called up the dealership that I bought my XT from. They said they'd never heard of a list, but if I can give them the part numbers of what I want, they can research it and call me back. THANK YOU! That's called being helpful. That's what makes money. My local place will only see me for warranty work. EDIT: Ten minutes later, my 'helpful' dealership called me back, said the do have the letter, and it says basically everything but the 'hard parts' are discounted, so they can give me 60% off! They're checking availability now, and will call me back again shortly. (Message edited by mikef5000 on November 19, 2009) | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Eulysses wrote: (like "buying down" the bikes to move them out Sorry, it is nothing like the bike incentive. Dealer has paid full wholesale for parts in inventory. Dealers can buy more inventory of select parts at a discount. How he makes up the loss on his inventory is up to him. Additionally, we started ordering at 6:00am and before we finsihed with our list, "obsolete" started showing up on many things. Sale over. } | ||
| Mikef5000 |
 No stock left on the bag liners or airbox cover mask. | ||
| Jammin_joules |
All these parts will probably be obsolete once they are gone. It is my experience that most of these were sold out before noon Wednesday. 92030-05Y ULYSSES TOP CASE & SIDE CASE SYSTEM 90057-05Y ULYSSES SIDE CASES 60040-96Y RACING FAIRING NUMBER PLATE, FRNT, LHTNG N2040.08AZCFC HEEL GUARD KIT, RIDER SECONDARY, LH & RH 94434-04YB FORTRESS COVER 51906-06Y SELECT SEAT FOR LIGHTNING MODEL - 51916-06Y SEAT, TOURING, XB12SS 51891-03Y STREETFIGHTER SEAT 52319-02Y FIREBOLT CUSTOM SEAT 51901-06YA SEAT, ULYSSES LOW, BLACK 52309-02Y FIREBOLT CUSTOM PILLION 91555-06Y SADDLEBAG, DETACHABLE 53607-08Y TOP CASE LINER - XB12X 91458-05Y XB SADDLEBAG KIT, LIGHTNING 91825-08Y SADDLEBAG LINERS L AND R - XB12X 90420-00YA SADDLEBAGS FOR BLAST MODELS 88213-09Y SADDLEBAG STRAP KIT 1125R 92169-05Y QUICK RELEASE, FEMALE 94459-05YA FORTRESS COVER FOR XB12X 94431-04YA CITY SCREEN COVER FOR FIREBOLT MODELS 94457-05YA CITY SCREEN COVER FOR XB12X 91212-04Y XB TANK MASK KIT 97020-08Y BACKPACK FOR XB12X 97021-08Y RAINCOVER FOR 97020-08Y BACKPACK 92332-06Y STOW-N-GO BAG 91211-04Y XB LIGHTNING TAIL BAG KIT 91776-09Y XB12X HANDLEBAR BAG 91213-04YB XB TANK BAG KIT 92330-06YA DELUXE TANK BAG 91456-05Y XB TRUNK BAG KIT 97021-06Y RAIN COVER, TRIPLE TAIL BAG 50562-02Y TRACTION PASSENGER FOOTPEGS 50553-02Y TRACTION RIDER FOOTPEGS 55959-02Y KIT, GRIP, TRACTION 92207-05Y KIT, GPS UNIT, BUELL, HDI 92172-05Y CRADLE, GPS UNIT 76008-05Y SPACER 2473 SCREW 4550M SCREW,BTN,TORX 70019-05Y POWER HARNESS,GPS UNIT 76007-05Y BRACKET, GPS MOUNT 29268-03Y GASKET 29388-02YB KIT, A/C XB 53840-00Y HERO TAIL GUARD KIT 67563-05Y XENON HEADLAMP BULB 57739-07Y HARDWARE KIT, XB12X TALL WINDSCREEN 57775-01Y BUELL BLAST WINDSHIELD, BLACK 57033-01Y BLAST W/S SNAP MOUNT ASSEMBLY 94685-03Y BUELL TOOL KIT 97009-07Y CARGO NET 12”x12” – 4 HOOK Some here on BWB could benefit from understanding how a dealership buys and sells parts, and makes a profit in order to stay in business. I know there is a lot of hostility aimed towards dealers in general here by some, and that is unrealistic because we are nothing more than businesses who tried to sell a product you liked, and to do so we had to make a profit. Welcome to America, capitalism and free enterprise. Conversely, I can whole heartedly understand the emotion of Harley shutting down Buell and the further understand the anger over how some marginal Harley dealers treated Buell customers and the product. Given those categories, please consider my position towards some of the following. I could be wrong on some of this, or all of it, but I wouldn't like it. Rockstar wrote: So basically this stuff needs 2 be in stock at your deal. Andym wrote: What's the deal with these parts? Is HD offering a rebate to the dealers or something? My dealer said all of the parts I inquired about are big sellers for him and the best he can do is my standard 15% discount... The discount was offered as an incentive to buy up inventory of accessories that are probably slow movers and will be discontinued by Harley. Inventory dealers already have of these parts are not being reimbursed so of course a given dealer holding them will want to recoup most of his sunk cost before buying more of the same. Cafefun wrote: I looked at the price sheet from Buell and your dealer is full of BS .. saying he does not know of any list or discounts The price list on the order process system won't reflect the new price until an update in December. If they did not read an obscure announcement, they would not know about the situation. Since most Buell dealers see little in the way of service work or accessory sales (most only see warranty work after the sale) it si reasonable to assume those dealers main focus is not Buell announcements especially in light of the cancellation of the product. Mmcustoms wrote: Are there any dealers on here that can get us any of these parts with these discounts my dealer is still charging full price We took care of our own first. Why wouldn't we. They have been great customers, word of mouth from them about us has gotten us tremendous success. They have paid a fair price for, what I've read here, is superior service. The discount was offered as an incentive to buy more inventory of select accessories that are probably slow movers and will be discontinued by Harley. Inventory that dealers already have of these parts are not being reimbursed so of course a given dealer holding them will want to recoup most of his sunk cost before buying more of the same. Swamp2 wrote: The dealers were given a lot of room to move. But they don't have to - it's an opportunity for them to make more margin if they're so inclined. Realize if the dealer has the parts in inventory, he paid full wholesale for it, he does not get a credit back if selling below retail. Each dealer is also a business unto itself. Harley cannot dictate much other than what is in the dealer license agreement. How a given dealer makes his money is his business. Avc8130 wrote: What does it matter? If you WANT the parts, you better get out and pay what the dealers WANT for them...because when they are gone...they are GONE. MSRP on most Buell items was a fair a week ago and it still is today. +++1+++ to Avc8130, he gets it But then he goes on to say: See...that is EXACTLY what I figured would happen. Dealers aren't dumb. They see these announcements and they jump in and buy everything. Then they throw it on Ebay for $$ to get the national audience. All the parts we ordered were pre-paid for customers. Nothing went on eBay. Orders started seeing parts obsolete BEFORE we stopped ordering more as our regular customers were being called during the day with offers on listed parts. How could these parts be offered up on eBay when they haven't even chipped yet? Any dealer who has staff to order these parts, create an eBay listing, and sell at these kind of slim margins must be using volunteers in staff positions because it is a money loosing proposition. Oldog wrote: Harley support for our bikes, implying this is a sign of no support. How is that? They sell accessories (not service parts) that have been over stocked and seen little demand, at bargain prices to give dealers that have worked hard to support the Buell brand the opportunity to make a few dollars and offer their regular customers a bargain. Dsmitty wrote: WOW Ya'll should see the discount the dealers are getting this stuff at 75% of their cost so talk them down cuz the can come way down on this stuff. Good luck with that. The laws of Supply & Demand apply. Many Buell dealers have been sitting on ample inventory of bikes and parts before 15Oct that finance costs to floor them lost them money. Why would they order more parts at cost and turn around and sell them for no profit. Grow up. This is business and dealers need to make a profit. That too few made sufficient profits selling Buells, in part, is how we got to this tragic shutdown situation. If they are signing the transition agreement to support Buell for seven years, these are dealers committed to the brand and they deserve your support, and the right to make a profit. I have had no qualms about discontinuing the call from a caller trying to get me to drop my listed price for bikes or parts when they tell me they can go half way across the country to save $500 on the same bike. Go do it. My price is what i need to charge to run my business. I have a driver with our race trailer 700 miles away, two states, getting six more 1125's to sell based on this pricing, four of which are pre-sold. Prowler wrote: As long as the dealers think that there is some panic buying going on (i.e. people think this stuff will not be available anymore), they have ZERO incentive to mark down the prices at all. Most the dealers I called seemed to think that they should be charging MORE than retail for this stuff because it will be so "rare". The 75% off is just a LOT more money in their pockets and I personally will NOT buy this stuff knowing that they are pocketing 300%-400% profit on this stuff. Realize if the dealer has the parts in inventory, he paid full wholesale for it, he does not get a credit back if selling below retail. Each dealer is also a business unto itself. Harley cannot dictate much other than what is in the dealer license agreement. How a given dealer makes his money is his business. It appears to me you only think you know how much a dealer makes in profit on a sale of some Traction grips or a tailbag, but to me it is obvious that you do not. | ||
| Eulysses |
Great report Jammin. We ALL appreciate your perspective. Lack of understanding breeds contentions so thanks for taking the time. I just found out that the Journey liner bags, deluxe tank bag and tail back pack in my order did not make it but my full Journey kit did. I can scrounge the other stuff. Thanks for your heads up on BWB about the sale in the first place. Got myself a nice Christmas present. Now to secure an ECM... | ||
| Mikef5000 |
The tool kit is also gone. | ||
| Metaldude |
Thanks JJ for your note, it really brings things back down to earth. The discount is a kick in the pants for us to get what we can before there gone and your note reminds us to not act like a buncha jackals over a carcass :-) My excuse that "these things are disappearing fast" is working really well on convincing my wife that I really need to buy some hard bags. Hopefully I'll find a good deal, but it's important to remember that the dealers need to make a living too. And my local (St Paul HD) has taken REALLY GOOD care of me since I bought my Uly this summer. | ||
| Eulysses |
We want dealers to make money so they are there when we need em. We want to go to the most expensive doc because they are usually the best. We want to reward our sales people real well...so they sell a lot. I love capitalism. There is a whiny socialistic cloud over America that will bring this nation to poverty if we are not careful. That covetous cloud elected this president we have now. The $ pie is not finite...it is infinite. The more players...the bigger the pie. Thanks for listening.  | ||
| Hungry_j0e |
JJ - Which part of the website are your comments from? Been searching but can't find the discussion... Definitely appreciate your perspective... Eulysses - Guess that doesn't bode well for my order... I didn't get mine in until this morning. Haven't heard anything yet about my order. Hopefully the Journey bags are still available... Cheers, - HJ | ||
| Black51 |
I'm all for capitalism. But how much profit and money is enough? I hear people complain about sports stars and CEO's making millions a year. I say, if you can do it, do it. But when I go to anyone of my local HD/Buell dealers they are not starving. Yes, a business needs a profit to stay in business, but for far too long I think there has been price gouging going on, just my opinion. When I go to the dealership and see a $500,000 RV, Toy Hauler, race trailer, etc, etc, the owner has a personal warehouse with 50 of his own personal bikes, etc., is that enough? Or should prices be higher so he (dealer owner) can add a fourth house to compliment the one in Myrtle Beach, the mountains and Daytona. I'm just saying when is enough, enough? I have Ravens season tickets. I got them when the Ravens first came to town in 1996. Tickets were $24. Tickets are now $90. And I had to buy a PSL for $750. Gas, concessions, parking...you can easily have $350 wrapped up in one game. And for what? So under-educated thugs (Mike Vick for one) can make millions and drive Bentleys? Yes, market demand, supply curves, capitalism, etc. I'm all for it. But when a profit is more than a fair profit than there are problems. How about price fixing? If all HD dealerships agree on artificially high prices then the public is forced to pay that if they want the goods. That begins to encroach upon a monopoly. That's all I'm saying. If the dealers now have a shot at selling accessories much cheaper than normal, then why not in order to say "thanks" to the loyal? A little generosity goes a very long way and will not be forgotten. Nor will greed be forgotten. But just my two cents. | ||
| Eulysses |
How much is enough? Keep it free and not judge a guy. The guy who can make a big biz and have all his toys...employees a lot of folks who can't. Let him have his crap. Who cares? Environmentalists care...they want you in a grass hut. Or dead. Seriously though...looking at someones wealth and it bothers you...that is coveting your neighbors goods. If we are going to all be able to be wealthy if we want or can...which raises all boats...then there can be no lid. Who is the Big Brother who controls the lid? Think about this...at least you can pack up and go down the street if you think someone is not reinvesting like you want them to. You have the freedom to vote with your feet. But this covetous attitude that permeates our culture has created the single payer concept...which is a monopoly of capital. Anytime capital is monopolized...we all lose. You can't vote with your feet/wallet anymore. It will nor has ever been good for people to monopolize anything. Competition and incentive give us humans the best of the best. Let them have their rewards. Probably going to hell anyway...so see? You can be happy about that right? Kidding of course. I don't mean this response to be anything more than a thoughtful and valuable discussion. One we need to have. Classism is what politicians use to divide Americans. Not good...very bad. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
But how much profit and money is enough? Not for you to say. If a dealer wanted to buy up every single part and accessory and then charge twice the MSRP, what does it matter to you? The dealer will either sell what they have, or they will be sitting on inventory that is unsold. What does it matter to you? I understand folks wanting bikes, clothing, and accessories for next to nothing. Just because you want it for next to nothing it doesn't mean that people want to sell it for next to nothing. How about buying products at full MSRP to say "thanks" to the loyal dealers? That would be a change. | ||
| Dentguy |
Which part of the website are your comments from? Been searching but can't find the discussion... Go here. Maybe then all the quotes that wound up in THIS thread will make sense. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/515233.html?1258671643 | ||
| Jammin_joules |
~jammer - Which part of the website are your comments from? Been searching but can't find the discussion . . . . . . . . . ........o~'o Sorry for cross posting but many of the same feelings, expressions, questions and thoughts were expressed on the 1125 board and I thought some here would be gain something from reading it. | ||
| Towpro |
So if I was looking at an aftermarket tank bag (because of price), but I could get the 92330-06YA DELUXE TANK BAG for less then MSRP, who should I call? I don't have a local dealer I want to deal with, I bought my bike used. |
