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Supertoon
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


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Uly_pirate
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's a beautiful bike and if the timing was different it would probably be my #1 choice right now (pending test drive, etc.). As it stands with any luck I have a few years left on the bike I love today, my 09 XT. That should give Ducati time to work out the wrinkles and me time to save the $$$$.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I rode last year's model at the Ducati Days they had going last spring at the MidAmerica track near Glenwood, Iowa. I really liked it and thought it handled very well with lot's of power. This bike is going to sell real well and only wish Buell hadn't been given the heave-ho because I remember posting that ECM's could and were being used to vary HP on bikes so the 1125 hp was no big deal. Anyway, maybe Erik will be given the go-ahead to create a Harley Badged 1125 competitor to this Multistrada once HD corp see's Ducati kicking ass with this new model. Wouldn't that be something. It's high time the V-Rod get's retired and a Buell designed replacement would be just the ticket. If that never happens then I'll just have to get a used Multistrada in a few years.
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Atoms
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

.. up until they got into that electronic mode thing, which sounds neat, but talk about a bad idea using electronics to control that much.

That is exactly what I was thinking. It looks like a fantastic bike to ride during the warranty period, but I have a rather huge pile of doubt about how easy that will be to maintain ten years down the road.

I love Ducati in general, and this one is no exception.
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Thesmaz
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That bike is damn sexy! I may just have to make the 4 hr drive, each way, to go to the big moto show in Milan this weekend so I can see this thing up close.
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Buewulf
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Those are pods right?"
You guys really do drink the Buell-Aid! They look like fancy shrouds to me a la Benelli, recent Kawasakis and various bikes on the European market.

"Looks like a BMW."
I would imagine that they fashioned the new MS after the segment benchmark. GS elements (which have pretty much become category elements) are definitely there, but the flavor is pure Ducati to me.

"Mostly underslung exhaust too."
The package seems to be cleverly compacted and positioned low and behind the motor, not really under it. I don't think that is necessarily Buell influenced, but I'll have to reconsider my position if it starts rusting after a couple of weeks of ownership.

"I'm also willing to bet there's one or more 12X's or 12XP's back in the Ducati R&D shed somewhere."
I said they fashioned after the benchmark, not bench warmer.

Just having a little fun with you true Buellbloods. Hope I didn't offend. I honestly don't see the Buell in it as you guys do, but I am sure Ducati examined the merits of all competitors. And I am sure they looked closely at Buell since Buell was intimately aimed at Ducati's target market
. In fact, I am sure they were anticipating an 1125 Uly, and knowing it could be a breakout model for Buell, they were very interested in getting the new MS to market first in order to deliver an offensive blow. I once read an interview with Duc's CEO. He said 50% of all Ducati owners parked their Duc next to a...(pause for effect)... Harley Davidson. Seems Ducati understands the formula that HD was trying to get right with Buell.
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Rfischer
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Milan show is worth an 8 hour transatlantic flight, never mind a 4 hour drive.

Go.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think it's a very cool bike, but I honestly don't like the looks any better than earlier Multistradas. Anybody else notice the resemblance?


multi1200


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Buewulf
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anybody else notice the resemblance?

Ok, now that is funny.

Personally, I love the look of the new MS. And n
ow, that you mention it, that alien is pretty hot, too.
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Buewulf
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was hoping Ducati would have a dirtier version of the bike available. Like this TreK Amazonas. I strongly considered buying the Benelli, but I didn't want to buy a bike with poor dealer support and the possibility that they would go out of business in the near future.


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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I notice they mention Pirelli Scorpion Trail tires come on the adventure variant. They don't look much more aggressive than the Scorpion Syncs though. Some Uly riders will probably be interested in trying them since they'll be available in the right sizes.
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Nobuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I considered the Multi last year before I purchased the Buell XT. I have always wanted Ducati a but the looks of the Multi did not work for me. I was also concerned about the chain drive and the valve adjustments. I went the direction of the Buell since it was american and dealers where everywhere at the time.

I love the looks of the new Multi except for the beak. But it may grow on me after awhile. The roster tail cover on the rear wheel has to go. This is not a speedway bike! I think they could have come up with better coverage in a conventional sense.
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Dr_greg
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, Mrs. Greg was pretty half-hearted about my recent BMW GS leaning, but doggoned if she isn't whole-hog enthusiastic about the MS1200. And just when I've regained my Uly mojo, too...

"We can find the money somewhere, honest..." she said. Dontcha love her!

Hafta admit, before the Uly my best ownership experience was the 41,000 miles on my '92 Ducati 900SS. Did all my own wrenching; bike never let me down. Fragged a (ball) main bearing at 41K miles; did a rebuild but now nobody rides it...

--Doc
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Supertoon
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think it is utterly gorgeous, I love my Uly but this thing makes it look like a manure spreader. Looks have always been way down the list for any adventure bike. Here is something quite different. I tried a 04 Multi and giggled my a** off for the whole test-ride. It had mediocre passenger accommodations and the questionable reliability. This sucker with an extended warranty and I could stop trying to convince myself I want a GS.
Multi
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Someone care to loan me $40k so I can get a GS and this?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy- this should be your inspiration to build the 1125 Ulysses! You have all the parts!
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where can I pick up an electric suspension and ABS unit cheap? : )
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just wait on someone to crash one of these Multi's.

On the ABS- somebody posted on the "last ride to the factory" thread that an Elf told them the 2011 Uly was to have ABS brakes. Odds are pretty good that there are at least some prototype parts laying around for that. Maybe some enterprising soon to be laid off Elf would be willing to liberate some of them on his way out the door?
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep, that would be a PM I would love to get.

"Hey Froggy, what those wires going to your front wheel"
Uhhh its a garage door opener! I swear! : D
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Red_chili
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...my best ownership experience was the 41,000 miles on my '92 Ducati 900SS. Did all my own wrenching; bike never let me down. Fragged a (ball) main bearing at 41K miles; did a rebuild but now nobody rides it... .

With a servant's heart I would like to offer my services to help you with that problem...
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I liked the looks, which I don't, and I thought any motorcycle was worth $15,000, which I don't, I'd consider that one...

Much more then $10k (and for that much it ought to be farkled top to bottom), and it's just too much for a motorcycle.
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Red Chili, good to see your back. All healed up I hope?

The Ducati reminds me so much of the Cagiva Gran Canyon I had before the Uly. As mentioned, I sure would hate to fall over on it. That's why the Cagiva never went off road. Now the Uly, who cares, let's ride!
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Thegibbon
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

KTM's bringing the 990 SMT to the states for 2010, too... yes, yes, yes.

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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think they are still trying to look like Buells...and not making it. Wild but not as refined...in looks. Sorry. Buell-aid must work for me!
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Side view - The Duc has got pods! They've even got the gap so they're accentuated.

Not an ugly bike, but not pretty either. I like the KTM, I'd prefer a Triumph Tiger myself for that sort of thing : )


Would H-D have let Buell build an 1125 tourer, or would/did they not allow it because it would be too much competition for their own touring bikes???
Me!? Cynical!? Nahhhh....
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Hmartin
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know this is a Buell enthusiasts site, but come on. Go easy on the kool-aid.

Chess is won by guessing your opponent's next move. Ducati's return to AMA Superbike against Buell probably didn't go like they planned. If they were not trying to anticipate Buell's next move (before the opponents chess pieces got wiped off the board), then you have to think they could've been anticipating a 1125 Uly. Not outside the realm of possibility.

With the 1100 being often compared to the Uly (and the GS and the KTM, etc.), it's not a stretch to say that a prudent company would gather information on the the finer details of a competing marque that's kicking your a$$ on the track, within legal realms, while in the search of a market edge. You would ignore such a company at your own peril.

Or you can try to do what Harley has managed to pull off (and see how long you could sustain it).
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Dentguy
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ducati's return to AMA Superbike against Buell probably didn't go like they planned.

Do you think they returned because of Buell? Didn't go like they planned? 3 wins and 4th overall for the season by Pegram. Only 3 different people and 3 different brands had wins in Superbike. Ducati (Pegram) was one of them. How did Buell do in Superbike for the season?


If they were not trying to anticipate Buell's next move (before the opponents chess pieces got wiped off the board), then you have to think they could've been anticipating a 1125 Uly
Do you think Ducati built the new Multistrada because they were anticipating Buells next move? Who said that Buells next move was an 1125 Uly? The new Multistrada has been in the works for quite some time.


competing marque that's kicking your a$$ on the track

Huh?


Again. Go easy on the Kool-aid.
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Towpro
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do we have any photo exports out here that can hang a set of pelican cases on this picture for me?

What am I thinking. I bought the Uly to last me through my Daughters "college years" (when I will be broker then hell) starting in 2011.
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Dr_greg
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's hard to judge appearance without seeing it in person, but I REALLY like what I see in the MS 1200. I bet that bike would be a ball to ride on dirt roads (I know, don't drop it!) And on pavement...

Gonna stop by the local Duc dealer this afternoon...too bad I can't do it on MY Ducati, but it's not registered.

--Doc
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Hmartin
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oops. AMA Sportbike. My bad. Returned (to Superbike - oops again) because of Buell? Didn't say that. Are you saying that Ducati built the new Multistrada because they were anticipating Buell's next move? No. Who said that Buell's next move was the 1125 Uly? No one. It's just conjecture, that's all, thrown in with some personal opinion and a bit of wishful thinking. It would've been nice to see how the two would compare. Wasn't trying to start anything.

I'd have to call to know for sure, but our local dealers are not showing that they have any on the floor yet. When I can, I'll definitely stop in and have a look at it myself. Ever since the dealer closest to my house closed up on Saturdays, it's been harder to find time to make it over there.
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