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Will547_us
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had my TPS reset after installing a Drummer SS and the race ECM. When I was waiting for my ticket to generate the tech who'd done the work said not to use silicone on header/muffler connections as the silicone "attacks the porcelain" on the O2 sensor. When I told him my stock muffler was sealed with the orange sealant he told me the factory used copper base silicone.

He also told me the pipes were assembled at the factory with the copper base silicone and allowed to cure for 24 hours while venting before they were installed.

Has anyone else had issues with silicone and O2 sensors or heard of copper base silicone?
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Ulyscol
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just use sensor safe RTV. It is available at any autoparts store. I believe it will say right on the package "safe for o2 sensors."

http://www.permatex.com/products/Automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers/auto_Permatex_Sensor-Safe_High-Temp_RTV_Silicone_Gasket.htm

(Message edited by ulyscol on November 04, 2009)
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If the silicone was used "downwind" of the O2 sensor, then it wouldn't matter.

I've used mega copper for just about any kind of sealing needed, and never had issues. I don't think it's O2 sensor safe. Maybe I just got lucky
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think the ultra copper is the "copper based" sealer the tech was talking about.

Yes, RTV can be bad for sensors.

Yes, you should use "sensor safe" stuff.

No...it doesn't matter as much downstream of the sensor. Just remember though - if it's not fully cured and you turn the bike off, vapors can (and will) travel UPstream.
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Will547_us
Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks guys, live and learn! I've never heard of sensor safe silicone and didn't realize it if I ever saw it. I hope the "downwind" supposition is valid, I would tend to agree.

Cheers, Will
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's not the ceramic that's attacked.
It's the tip where all the magic happens.
The chemical coating is sensitive to being contaminated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_sensor
Pretty sweet little tech-toy that we can take for granted.
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