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Zrjoe
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, I took my 08 X in for a code problem. IT has been in the shop for a week and is laying in pieces. THe problem was stalling and rough idle. Last weekend I started to get codes. 1-6 and 2-6
Dealer has

1) Replaced the bank angle sensor
2) Reflashed the ECM
3) Checked for Ground Faults.
4) Checked for blocked fuel vent

What might be the problem?? I am rapidly lossing faith in my dealers diagnostic ability.

Any help will be appreciated.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Code 16 is low voltage, 26 dosen't exist on the older bikes, I don't have a 2008+ service manual for XB.
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Murraebueller
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

16 can be either battery voltage high (P0563 in the Digital Tech) or voltage low (P0562). 26 is a clutch position sensor low
(P1155 in the Digital Tech) and could indicate an intermittent short in the clutch safety switch. This could potentially cause a variation in voltage that might result in rough idle and could certainly cause stalling. A simple test is to jumper the switch at the harness end and see if the problem goes away.
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Zrjoe
Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Explain the clutch position sensor.
What is the purpose?

FYI. I have always been able to start the bike without engaging the clutch, I thought this was normal and never really checked into whether or not I should be able to.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You should be able to start the bike in gear with the clutch disengaged, or in neutral with the clutch engaged, but NOT in gear with the clutch engaged. If you can, I'd say that's likely the root of your problem.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The 08+ bikes sense your clutch position and if you have ever taken a notice, it automatically will give the bike a little gas as you release the clutch. The 07 and earlier bikes are "stupid" and just uses the switch as a safety cutoff.
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Swampy
Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy, I thought that was a function of the ECM sensing the idle going down and then opening the IAC to keep the RPM at idle with the throttle closed. Cool I learned something today.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It could be, I was under the impression it was with the clutch switch. The idle is electronically controlled on the 08+ bikes, including the 1125's, I will have to check my SM and see if it spills the beans : )
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Zrjoe
Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, the verdict is in. A connector to the ecm was rubbing on the frame and developed a short. Most notable when cornering to the left.

The dealer spent 16 hours diagnosing the issue.

Now it is my turn to go through the bike and check all the wiring.

Note to Buell, PROTECT all wiring!
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Nobuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have been in the process of wrapping wire with 1/8" thick soft density silicone sponge. As I come across a wire or connection that rubs against something else, I wrap it with the silicone and nylon strap.

I have already wrapped the ECM wires because they did look like a candidate for wear through when I installed the Comfort Kit.

I will wrap other locations as I run across them during maintenance and inspections.

I just consider it a proactive measure.
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