| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
I'm hoping they just didn't get it ready in time for the dealer show. | ||
| Osup |
Ha! I wish! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Not likely. | ||
| Froggy |
Correct. Uly isn't a sport bike, so they will be cubing it next. Bring on the 1125XT! | ||
| Scodill |
Buell labels it an "Adventure Sport" bike...so they'll be keep it :-) (Message edited by scodill on July 26, 2009) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Again? Really? The performance characteristics of the Helicon, and the intended usability / function of the Ulysses platform (X or XT), are completely at odds. Have any of the people clamoring for this bike ever RIDDEN a Uly? AND an 1125? What makes you think the 11 powertrain would work in the Uly package and its stated intent? Uly riders are already bitchy about not enough low end grunt for offroad excursions, and swap in XB9 primaries. Imagine a 10,000 rpm engine that doesn't start making real power until 3200ish in that situation. IT WON'T WORK. Not as it sits anyway. I'd be all for a 'wet' sport-tourer...but I am reasonably certain it WON'T be a Ulysses, in name or makeup. IF they do one...I bet it'll be a completely new, different animal. My personal preference would be a water-cooled S2 or S3 type machine. | ||
| Pso |
I got my Uly for ease of working on it. That rotax I understand can be a real B#### to work on. I am keeping my lump. Switched out the fan ove the weekend. the hardest part is the electrical connector could use about another 1 1/2 inches to be able o disconnect the old one and connect the new one. Jockying in the new fan was not that hard (wish my garage was AC'd however).Keep it simple. | ||
| Ronmold |
Uly riders don't have AC in their garages! That's for beamer owners. | ||
| Chadhargis |
The 1125 would be the PERFECT engine for the Ulysses. First off, the Ulysses ISN'T an off road bike. Yeah, yeah...I know people ride them off road, but honestly, there was a guy who rode an R1 around the world and he made it just fine. You can ride any motorcycle off road if you're a good enough rider. It's my understanding that people do the XB9 gear change not because the engine doesn't have enough low end torque, but because it's geared extremely tall due to the short rev range of the air cooled lump. A redline of 6800rpm, when you make peak HP at near that same number, means you better learn how to work a shifter to keep the engine spinning in it's sweet spot. Now, if the engine made 140hp, and you happen to let if fall out of the power curve but still had 80hp on tap....that's a horse of a different color. The 1125 mill will also run at a more consistent temp. My Uly will knock and ping like crazy when it gets overheated from sitting in traffic. It shakes so hard at idle that I can't commute on it. I love my Ulysses. It's a wonderful bike. But the 1125 engine would make it nearly perfect. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Chadhargis, I new that you would chime in. I really don't understand why others put their 2 cents in against using the 1125 in a ULY type bike. It's not like the air cooled ULY is going to cease to exist. They keep making the XB12R bikes even though they make the water cooled 1125R. I say produce the ULY with the 1125 and they will certainly sell a bunch of them. | ||
| Svh |
I think an 1125T should be next. Make it similar to the XT in specs. I would trade my 08 in on one for sure. I hit the rev limiter constantly with my XT and would love to have the H2O engine. I do like the air cooled lump though and will make do until they make it. I also don't understand why folks think the engine would be bad for a XT type bike. Look at the Kawi Concours 14. Glad I didn't test ride one of those may have never made it to this board. | ||
| Atoms |
Why our two cents against the 1125? I want simple, I want air cooled and I want Made in USA (at least during these trying economic times). And even though one can barely see the cylinders in a Uly, I vastly prefer the look of a twin V. I'd go as far as to say that I also prefer the "bite" and feel of a twin V, but not having ridden the 1125, I'm really just guessing/assuming that it lack the soul of the lump. If Buell switches the Uly to the 1125, I'll keep my '07 (or whatever I have by then) until I need to replace it with whatever air cool V-twin is still available. | ||
| Surfsofa |
I've tried an 1125R on a track and loved it in that environment. But on the road in a tall bike like the Uly? It's a great engine as far as I could tell (not a sportsbike type), but in the real world the low-down torque of the old lump is hard to beat.* * If they could just get the low rpm fuelling right  | ||
| Treysmagna |
They keep telling me at work to change with the times and technology. I think both Buell and Harley are going to have to slowly, but surely, change with technology and EPA requirements or they are going to eventually fall behind. I would love to see a water cooler Uly or other touring model or even a touring model Vrod. I ride every day and in the summer the motor heat can get pretty bad in stop and go traffic. Just my two cents | ||
| Rwven |
Ratbuell, 1125ST would be better. I suspect some of us are using XT for context as the XT is Buell's closest thing to a Sport Tourer for now... | ||
| Hangetsu |
I think it's about time for ya'll to stop whining for a 1125 Uly. As pointed out above, the power characteristics of the Helicon engine are completely unsuitable for the Uly's intended purpose. Give the RR or CR a ride and you'll have to agree. But, if that's what you really want, go buy a CR, fit the high handlebar kit & some soft luggage and be done with it | ||
| Froggy |
Thats funny, I have ridden the 1125R and CR several times, yet I still want that motor in a Uly. If I did get an 1125XT, first thing I would do is put lower bars on it (running Lightning bars on my Uly), then ride the piss out of it. After that I will put on a turbo. | ||
| Thunderbox |
There is no way Buell will make 4 different Uly models. 2 Air cooled and 2 Liquid cooled models is a pipe dream of the largest kind. Having said that, if I had a choice of the 1203 that is in the Uly now and an 1125 engine I would certainly take the 1203 beyond shadow of a doubt. To loose everything we have bragged about all these year, low maint, no valve adjustments, simple servicing would be a step backwards. Besides the Uly is already the best selling Buell ever. Why would they frig with that? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Froggy- given all the mods you've done to your bike, why not put a Uly tail on an 1125CR? I realize it's not close to being a bolt-on, but it doesn't look like an insurmountable mod by any means. | ||
| Froggy |
The thought has crossed my mind several times.... | ||
| Chadhargis |
I think it boils down to what you do with your bike. At my stage in life, I don't have the luxury of doing much touring. I like a big bike, because at 6'5", 220lbs, I'm a big guy. I want a big, tall, comfortable sportbike. The time it takes to do a valve adjustment ever couple of years, change coolant at the same time is just not that big of a deal to me. I guess if I was riding 20,000 miles a year doing touring duties, I'd be a bigger fan of the air cooled engine. But if I was doing that, I'd have an FJR, ST1300, Concours, or something big, heavy, and powerful. Before my daughter was born, I loved riding my FJR1300 for weekends at a time, commuting, hauling my teaching supplies to my MSF class....but now my riding time has condensed to one day jaunts where I want to hit the twisties hard. I enjoy track days as well. I work in a ride when I can. To me, the 1125 engine in the Ulysses would be perfect for me, and a heck of a lot of other riders. Buell would be foolish not to mate the 1125 engine with the Ulysses chassis and go hunting Ducati, Triumps, etc. | ||
| Hangetsu |
But Chad, they already have a Ducati hunter - no two of them; the 1125R and CR. The Uly is an Adventure bike and the long haul, occasional off road, easy maintenance, two-up, with luggage type riding is what it was designed for. And from what I've seen, this is how most owners use it. Types like you, Froggy, and maybe Treadmarks are in the vast minority. Your numbers certainly aren't enough to become a viable market for w whole new model Uly. Simply put, there are already models in Buell's line, and elsewhere that do what you want. You want to carve twisties, hunt Ducatis, and do track days? Go buy an 1125R, put Uly pegs on it (yes, they fit)and maybe a comfort jell seat (XB12R - it fits) and you've got the bike you want. The Uly IS an "adventure" sport-bike, or I'd rather say, a "sporty" adventure bike and I hope Buell continues to develop it along those lines. Quite frankly, anyone who thinks the Uly is under powered is simply riding it outside it's intended purpose. There are other, more suitable bikes out there for you. If a consumer buys a product that really doesn't suit his needs, is it the manufacturer's fault? (Message edited by Hangetsu on July 29, 2009) | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Correct. Uly isn't a sport bike, so they will be cubing it next. if they cube the Uly, I'm "out-of-here" and will NEVER look at another Buell again! I feel BMC laid an egg this year with their new advertising campaign, I just hope they can correct that huge mistake going forward! | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I'm curious what Harley is going to do for Rider's Edge bikes now that Buell has pulled the plug on the Blast. Can't say that I'm sad to see them go though. Compared to all other Buells they were far from impressive bikes. As for how big a market a 1125 ULY would garner, I'd bet that the same people saying there is no market for a 1125 ULY would have said the same about the original ULY. Lengthen the front forks and monoshock on the CR, change the rear end to make it more Uly-esque and give it a new handle bar and front fender and there you go. With those preying mantis claws on the front I'd buy it. | ||
| Hughlysses |
EG- all indications are they're still building the Blast for Rider's Edge; they just aren't calling it a Buell any longer. At least one dealer has already taken delivery of some 2010 Blasts without Buell badging. | ||
| Riding_tall |
So it you play the cube video backwards will it come out of the compactor with HD badges ?  Just unbranding it as a buell is a lot better than getting rid of them. Hope that the blast will continue to be available to the general public is some way. Not sure on an 1125 Uly but a 1125 sport-tour like along the lines of an st4 or FJR seems like a great idea. | ||
| Chadhargis |
The 1125R and CR and both too small for even a day ride if you're of above average height. Heck, I even have to stop for a stretch ever 50-100 miles on my Ulysses. When I say "hunting Ducati", I'm talking about the Multistrada, which in my opinion is the only bike currently superior to the Ulysses. It's both comfortable, and handles extremely well. For 2010, Ducati is putting their superbike engine in the Multistrada. What a shame Buell didn't beat them to the punch. If you want to go slow, you can do so on even the fastest bike. If you want to go faster, you need the power. It's better to have and not need, than need and not have. | ||
| Tootal |
I can't believe Froggy wants the rotax! They suck gas dude! I get where Chad is at. I'm 6'4" and 200 lbs. Not quite as large but my inseam is 37 inches and my 06 fits me better than any other motorcycle. I prefer using mine off road touring Colorado etc. I want more low end because over 10,000 feet there is nothing below 3000 rpm! I have since changed the primary which is a nice improvement but really the cams need changed to make a real improvement. When my valve guide seals start leaking I'll change a few things during the repair! | ||
| Froggy |
I will figure out a way to get 60mpg on the Rotax, trust me Hell at your 10k feet, I could get 100mpg |
