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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well today I decided to take the Ulything to work, as I have been riding nothing but the Blast since getting it last weekend. All I can say is what a night and day difference. First I have to climb onto the Uly, vs. the Blast I just walk from behind it and then just sit down. My Uly still has Lightning bars on it, so I am all hunched over compared to the Blast. Then backing it up, it takes effort to move the thing and keep it balanced, vs. the Blast I can just pick it up and put it in my backpack if I so desired. Then low speed maneuvering, the Blast walks all over my bike and has a much tighter turning radius. Then handling at speed, today I overshot a turn because the bike refused to dive in like the Blast. It takes much more effort and feels less stable, and a little twitchy.

Although, right after that I just twisted the throttle and the front end came straight up, so I decided to forget about all of those handling issues and focus on what really matters. The Blast absolutely refuses to come up, but I did get it to pop up during a hard upshit into 2nd. I guess I will watch some more videos online and tweak the suspension a bit more. After riding the Blast, it felt like I was driving a school bus.
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Mideon
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My first Buell was a Blast and I did the Rider's Edge course on the Blast training bikes. I could def take a lot sharper corner on the Blast but I'm telling you, going any distance even a 100+ mile ride my butt was numb on my Blast and my Uly can go the distance comfortably. Not to mention I don't have to worry so much about running our of fuel!
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Rwven
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hmm, I have yet to have a problem getting my Uly to dive into a corner, quite the opposite in fact as I often end up a bit deeper into turns than I really wanted be.
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Mideon
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm always paranoid of all the crap I carry in my bags will shift when/if I go too deep
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh yea the fuel tank is another thing that bugged the hell out of me, I am used to going about 250 miles a tank on the Uly, so I got a nice surprise the other day crossing a bridge.
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Mideon
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Get the Vance & Hines Carb Jet Kit and Exhaust and you will add about 10mpg
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Ronmold
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy, I hope you meant "upshift"!
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Bosh
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

250 miles a tank on the Uly

WTF! Are you kidding?? I've never seen 200!
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ron, somehow MSword spellcheck didn't pick it up! Well concidering I broke the shift linkage several times in the last few weeks, I think the term applies. : D

Bosh, even if I am getting only 60mpg, 4 gallons of gas is 240 miles, so I still got a little bit extra range before I start worrying. I have been riding it a bit more aggressively lately and riding with the others, so my average fuel economy as of late has dropped to only 57.4mpg : (




Too soon to get an accurate read on my Blast


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Eryngium
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Apart from the tighter turning radius, I prefer the handling on my Uly. It feels much more stable. My Blast feels too twitchy - almost unpredictable. Leaning into turns feels smoother on Uleen. When I occasionally ride the Blast to keep her running until I get her sold, I always feel better going back to Uleen. Oh yeah, backing up is much easier on the Blast
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Joesbuell
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sounds like the problem Nicky Haydens having with the Ducati!
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Glen
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my DRZ400 will outride my Uly everywere but the straitaways, aint no draggin knees on the zook, if you got room for a knee, yer not leaning far enough lol.
and 70mpg to boot.

thumpers rule!!!!

(Message edited by glen on June 25, 2009)
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Rightpecial
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My Cyclone would dive in a little easier, was easier to back up, and easier to mount. Although the Uly is better at literally everything else. A lot of it is just from the ridiculously high seat, but with that comes comfort, a commanding view of the road ahead, and the ability to ride on crap roads without breaking a sweat. Wouldn't change it even if someone else was paying for the mods.
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Court
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 06:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>my DRZ400 will outride my Uly

So will mine. I've also found a Porsche handles better than a Ford F-150.

It's an amazing world . . . by the way . . a KTM Duke seems to fall right in the middle.
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Sanchez
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

> Then handling at speed, today I overshot a turn because the bike refused to dive in like the Blast.

You might need to reduce compression damping in the front end or increase preload and/or compression damping in the rear. When the back of the bike squats down relative to the front, it reduces rake angle and slows down turn in.

I had trouble with turn in on my Ulysses and had difficulty holding the line mid corner. The bike wanted to run wide. Now I have preload maxed and some extra compression. I can tighten the line mid corner now if I need to, and I can get on the gas sooner without running out.

I had the same problem for the opposite reason on my track bike. The front end was way too stiff. Backing off the front compression damping fixed the problem.
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Sanchez
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

> even if I am getting only 60mpg

Wow, what kind of riding gets you 60 mpg?? The only time I've ever seen that kind of mileage was riding a steady 55 mph with no stops on the Blue Ridge Parkway. I get high 40's around town if I'm nice and low 40's if I'm not.
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Hangontight
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sanchez,
I'm right there with you. My low fuel light typically comes on between 140-155 miles. Every tank has been in the 40's. There's no way i'll ever get close to 60mpg. oh well, after 150mi I'm ready to stop anyway.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sanchez, I got 75mpg on the Blue Ridge.

I will give the suspension a tweak, thanks.
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Glen
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

<I've also found a Porsche handles better than a Ford F-150.

not in dirt it wont.

did i mention i own a f-150?
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Sanchez
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

> Sanchez, I got 75mpg on the Blue Ridge.

What are the differences between your bike and mine? Yours is an 06 Lightning Long, right? Have you changed anything that might increase fuel economy? You have a Micron exhaust, right? Anything else?
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That was back when my bike was pretty much a Lightning Long. Mods were Micron, American Sport Bike map, open airbox. That trip was before I started practicing hypermileing. Since that trip I have swapped on the Uly tail and front fairing. But basically its the same as yours.
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New12r
Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy, the blast will wheelie, trust me...
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