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Sprintex
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyone try doing this? I made one using a reflective windshield sun screen that I cut up and it kind of works but there most be a better material to use.
Any thoughts.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think someone here has used the foil faced, adhesive-backed firewall insulation you can buy at hot rod shops (Summit Racing, etc.). You can stick two pieces together sticky side to sticky side to make a semi-rigid "board" that can be bent to shape.
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Fubar
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I did that. I covered the bottom of the seat with Thermotec and fabbed a right-side-gap-filler by sticking it back-to-back. Works great.

http://www.thermotec.com/adhesive-backed-heat-barr ier.html
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Nobuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It just so happens that I was also looking at an alternate heat shield. My concern is primarily minimizing heat on the ECU/battery and then reducing the heat through the seat. The heat never was a big comfort issue for me thus far.

My company uses a lot of Silicon sponge rubber for various products. This rubber is very flexible, easily cut with hand shears and will take in excess of 400 deg F. It can also be glued to itself with RTV silicone allowing intricate shapes to be used.

I played with some basic configurations last night with a goal to deflect the hot air under the tail section keeping it away from ECU and battery. The material I played with was 1/4" thick, I will try some thinner pieces to see if I can come up with a better design. I did a brief test ride last night and the heat under the seat seemed much lower but I need to investigate further.

The other nice thing about the Silicon rubber is the cushioning effect on adjacent wires. There should be no issues with the soft material fretting wire insulation.

I will take some pictures when I get the design a little more refined.
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Snojet
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check out what Electraglider 1997 has done on the "RHS Scoop" recent post...

Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 01:45 pm:

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This helped control the heat generated on my bike. I route the fan air under my seat as much as possible. No ECM or Battery problems yet and my bike is Oct 05 build. No hot ass syndrome either. I still have the original fan and over 17,000 miles. Now I suppose it will probably quit.
Heat management thread:

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/295156.html

(Message edited by snojet on May 13, 2009)
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i put foil tape on the bottom of my seat, did it from the beginning so i don't know if it helped or not.
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Prowler
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A while back, I had Odie (at Special OPS) make me an underseat heat shield blanket that was about 6" shorter than the ones he usually sold, I installed it so that it forced all the air (coming from the fan) to go out the shock opening and side ducts. There's a picture on the Special OPS site, seventh pict down from the top of the heat blanket photos. I had to cut one small hole in the blanket and actually screwed it down under the ECU. Doing this keeps the battery/ECU and everything else under the seat (including the seat base) a LOT cooler, SERIOUSLY cooler. Blowing all that hot air over the battery and electrical components can't be a good thing......not to mention how hot your behind gets from the seat base cooking it.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Prowler- You and I think alike; that looks sharp. That's basically what I did with my standard Special Ops blanket on my Uly.

See posts here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=142838&post=941497#POST941497

Mine doesn't look quite as neat as yours, but it works much the same. I also relocated the rear master cylinder reservoir, which provides a much larger air opening on the right side of the frame for the hot air to exhaust. The wiring harness is kind of in the way on the left side, but I don't see any easy improvement for that.

I think the ultimate solution would be to have an insulated, molded plastic piece that snapped into the opening between the seat frame rails and sealed off this space air-tight to keep the hot air away from the seat, ECM, and battery.

(Message edited by hughlysses on May 13, 2009)
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Al_lighton
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Thermotec barrier material works well. Here are some shots of what we did with the 06 Uly. It's a LOT easier to install with the engine pivoted down and the fan removed. It really helps with frame heat, especially the radiant heat from the rear header.


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The roll size we stock ( http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-prodshow/16130.html ) will do 1 bike frame easily with a fair amount left over for lining the bottom of the seat, etc.

(Message edited by al_lighton on May 13, 2009)
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Firstbatch
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Created a "duct" with thermotec to exhuast the fan out the rear. Works great.

See this thread

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142838/352214.html

(Message edited by firstbatch on May 13, 2009)
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Tag88
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Took off the stock RHS works great
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Neparider
Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


I like the idea of adding the duct at fan discharge, also would like ideas of taking fresh air out of the rear of the air box cover and ducting back to the battery area. That would allow me to cover the shock area with a heat shield blanket and still allow fresh, cooler air to the battery ecm area.Question, will this be bad for the amount of air required in the airbox?
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've run the hot air past and over the ECM and Battery for over two years and my bike has not had any problems. I've still got the original battery and fan and ecm. What I think is probably worse is the stock setup that just dead ends the hot air around the ecm and creates monkey butt from the hot seat. I've got the warm air flowing all the way under the seat and exiting out above the rear wheel through the rear seat pan. My bike has always run pretty darn good.
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Tginnh
Posted on Friday, May 22, 2009 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I used my special ops maximum heat barrier for the first time yesterday.
Long ride, unseasonably hot weather, fan was running most of the day.
The barrier made a big difference, but there is still room for improvement.

My guess is the Thermotec work like Al_lighton posted along with the special ops barrier would be a winning combination.

Al_lighton - is it even possible to apply the material without the engine rotated down?
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Okc99
Posted on Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How about a wrap for your thigh?
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Hooper
Posted on Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How about a bacon-wrap for your thigh? That would make everything pretty good.

Snack as you go...
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