| Author | Message | ||
     Jphish |
So Longdog - whats the verdict on the pitted rotor ? Warranty or not ? Inquiring minds... | ||
| Longdog_cymru |
Hi, I spoke to the "stealer" and they said it sounded like I'd "put my bike away while it was still wet". This apparently means that the pad material had corroded the disc rotor. FFS!!! This is UK!!! It rains here!!!! This is the first bike I have ever had that this has happened to in 40 something years on motorcycling and I have put a few wet bikes away in that time! Anyway, I sent some pics to the "stealer" and after careful consideration, they have forwarded my pics to Harley UKs technical expert! They are going to get back to me ASAP. On the bright side....... My rusty ceramic coated can, (CamCoating), is going to be replaced! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Sounds like complete B.S. to me. Stainless rotors melting in the rain? | ||
| Longdog_cymru |
Natexhl1000, my thoughts exactly!!! Take a look at the pics......... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/443047.html?1237125022 | ||
| Jphish |
Curious as to the final outcome. If the Uly cant take a 'wet lickin & keep on tickin' clearly they shouldnt be sold in Wa state either. My 08 Uly goes in the garage soaked at least half the time - my rotor don't look anything like that. I gotta believe they'll make it right. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Well my 2008 front brake hasn't done anything odd other than the customary brake residue build-up. | ||
| Ourdee |
I worked in a grey iron foundry for 16 years. I would need to look at it in person to be certain, but from the pics it looks like a defect in the metal. Look to the outside of the disk, just outside of the area worn by the brake pad. Do you see the same defect? How do you develop deleterious defects and inclusion porosity. You don't as an end product user. That can only be done at the foundry when pouring the molten metal. How does a foundry get “low porosity?” Close control over chemistry, expert solidification modeling, tight control over pattern and gating design, and good foundry practice, virtually eliminate porosity as an issue. The defect can sometimes be seen at the foundry, but often can only be discovered during machining or X-rays examination. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Anyway, I had to go out and look to see if my Uly's rotor had any pitting. Nope. The only thing I notice from your rotor photo that would put that part outside warranty consideration are the machined holes. They don't come with those holes from the factory. Warranty on modified parts are usually a no no. | ||
| Jphish |
WRA-WRO - Machined holes ?? I missed that. Mods not looked at to kindly by Mfg. Still maynot be lost cause if it did not materially affect the defective part. The question is: what are prevailing warranty laws in UK ? | ||
| Longdog_cymru |
Ourdee, I worked as a technical engineer in the canning industry for 37 years, (for an American company over here), and my part of the process was cutting the sheets from coils of tinplate. I have come across inclusions in the steel stock on many occasions, and I agree with you 100% on your observations. Further inspection yesterday has revealed that this defect is only apparent on one side of the disc, the other side is totally blemish free. If it were from the pads, then I am sure it would have happened to both sides. Electraglider_1997, what holes are you referring to? The holes drilled through the disc? All XB discs over here are drilled in this fashion. My disc is 100% as it came from East Troy to UK. I had a call from the dealer today who readout an email from HD UK technical department. Briefly, it said that it appears to be caused by galvanic corrosion. This is corrosion between 2 dis-similar metals when an electrolytic substance is present. What they are saying is that it is corrosion of the disc caused by a solution of road salt when the bike was parked in my garage. I disagree, because although I use my bike all through the year, I usually wash it with cold water after a run on salted roads or the day after at the very least. Again, if it was this, then there ought to be evidence of the defect on both sides of the disc. There isn't. The dealer has said that they are ordering a new disc for me, and they will sort it out when they see the bike. | ||
| Longdog_cymru |
Electraglider and Jphish, My disc is 100% standard and unmodified. You guys set me thinking, so I looked through the Uly picture thread and I see your discs all look the same as mine!!! (except for the pitting!!!) | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Longdog, My bad. My eyes must be crossing or something. Suddenly those holes have appeared on my ULY rotor.  | ||
| Jphish |
Damn - GOOD NEWS! Electra must have eyesight like mine. I have figured out all those blurry lighted objects trying to kill me are NOT aliens... just cars with their headlights on for safety. OK Longdog - sounds promising - your argument makes sense. keep us posted. | ||
| Etennuly |
I'm sure a whole lot of us buell riders can attest to riding in the same conditions during the winter and not having those corrosion problems. We do have salt too! | ||
| Crusty |
It sounds like H-D is blowing smoke up your ass; which doesn't surprise me one bit. The good news is that your dealer seems willing to do the right thing. | ||
| Longdog_cymru |
Result! I went to my main dealer yesterday, (a 305 mile round trip), and they changed the disc rotor and can under warranty. It is the second time they have changed the can for rust and said it was "a significant issue for Buell". They have changed a tremendous number of Buell cans. The first time, they gave me a Cam Coated one, but it still rusted!!! On the most important problem, the front disc rotor, they were non-committal on the inclusion/manufacturing defect that I believe is the fault. However, they said that if the disc rotor was warped, that would be different as "it is not an unknown fault with Buells". So I said, OK, maybe it's warped! They measured the runout at 0.25 and said the tolerance is 0.45, (I assume that is mm?). On the basis that "it had started to warp", they changed it under warranty. The ride home was a real pleasure!!! | ||
| Methed |
Congrats, sir! Your persistence seems to have paid off. | ||
| Aussiexbox |
All I can say is I am glad we don't get snow here in Oz,or have salt,the only salt we see is by the sea  ,but a great result that the dealer came to the party. Livin in the land of all year riding,whooHoo! |
