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Sanjuro
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I thought I was pretty good at it... until I saw this video, and saw, Yoda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99KKx7cB-Ok Which led me to learning about this video:http://www.ridelikeapro.com/ I'd be open to your feedback if this video is worth getting or any other learning courses/material that you've had good experiences with.
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12x9sl
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Holy Smokes, that is some serious control with a big bike!
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Snakebreak
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ATGATT- I would have been hamburger. My local police are great (please read and forgive me my sins) and one rider is very good but not that good. The clutch work in that is amazing.
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Snakebreak
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ATGATT- This is more like it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YDRDpK3RPY&NR=1
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Skinstains
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I aint trying to dis that cop as he definately has mad skills. But you must realize that his floorboards are being used as training wheels. Asfar as clutch work, it's all clutch control and spinning that crankshaft. I sure would like to see the course from an arial view. Do they still have police force drill teams ?
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Jameslaugesen
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Best way to learn is to go out and do it.
There's lots of good material around, but they're still all only telling you things which the bike, gravity & your sense of balance are trying to tell you already.

Having the knowledge is only part of the picture; your sub-conscience doesn't care what you've read or seen. So you've still gotta go through a learning & experience process before you have any meaningful skills.

Find a big empty carpark somewhere and go muck around. Or a grass field if you're worried about dropping.

You'll take-in a lot more from courses/material once you've already found specific problems or flaws in your riding that you want to improve.

I recon videos like this a good to remind us that most things which go wrong are our own fault :-D
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Wbrisett
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Recently on another board, somebody posted a cop doing similar stuff on their Honda ST1300. I was floored, mostly because I've always considered the ST1300 an absolute pig in low speeds, of all the sport touring bikes out there, it is the one that absolutely has a desperate need to go on a diet, and at low speeds you can feel all 700+ pounds (since you mostly feel it up high).

The HD police bikes get a bit of a break since they keep their weight down low. It still takes some serious skills to do this, and I'll never be able to do this. ; )

Wayne

found the link I was looking for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_sRkKfzxXM

this one is also great because it shows how different bikes behave very differently in the same situations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdnuzJue8cI


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Diablobrian
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I liked this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csf3OmGD8UE
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

But you must realize that his floorboards are being used as training wheels.

The floor boards fold up and wont support the bike..... how do I know... I dropped my Road Thing more than once.
The first time you drag one at speed.... that will scare the crap right out of ya...
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Rwven
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A few times a year I ride with a motor officer from the Toronto Canada area. He says they drop their bikes all the time during training. To really learn the limits you have to pass them from time to time. I don't think I want to do that with my own motorcycle.
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Seanp
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, he's not using his floorboards for outriggers. You can hear various metal parts scrape two or three times total throughout the video. Plus, if he were using the floorboards for training wheels, there's a good chance he would have levered his rear wheel up, wiping out in the process. That's just good riding right there...
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12x9sl
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 Wolfridgerider.

When I was down in Tenn riding around the Dragon area, my wife's cousin and I swapped bikes and I went from a Uly to a Road King-not much clearance on those floorboards. That noise is Loud!!
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Dr_greg
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For a slight variation, take a look at the Japanese version...

--Doc
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Ulynut
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sanjuro, I have seen the ride like a pro video. It does have some good information, but mostly, it shows you drills that you can practice yourself. It seems to lean towards teaching you how to pass the motorcycle skills test at the DMV.

Like Jameslaugesen says, you need to take what you learn and practice.
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Tq_freak
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+2 Wolfridgerider.

When I take the ultra out after riding the Buell for a few days I always get a spark show on the first turn.
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks like he's riding the old Electra Glide Sport. The precursor to the Road King. I had a 91 Sport and put 156,000 miles on her. It was balanced low as mentioned and could be thrown around pretty good. The cops form was perfect, lean the bike but keep your body perpendicular to gravity. That helps maintain your equilibrium. Using the clutch, brake and throttle at the same time is a practiced technique and obviously works well. If you watch observed trials riders you'll notice some of the same techniques.
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Itileman
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ride Like a Pro is worth every dime. I have it and review it often. There's also a dual sport riding vid put out by a guy on Adv rider - meaningful to us Noobs to the sport.
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Sanjuro
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm always into learning how to ride better. Although I've been riding for over 20+ years, like golf, I realize that swinging a lot doesn't always equate a better game. I've found both "Twist of the Wrist" and "Proficient Motorcycling" invaluable for riding better. What these cops can do is on a different level, and based on what I've read here, I'll be ordering a copy.

May the force be with you all.
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Seanp
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They're having a motor officer competition here in Tallahassee tomorrow through Saturday. I don't have any class tomorrow, so I think I'll swing by there and take some pictures or video. Glad I saw this thread, and it reminded me that the competition should be coming up soon. I missed it last year, but won't miss it this year!
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Sanjuro
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nice.. I'm jealous. Please feel free to share any pictures along with your observations and thoughts of the event.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 07:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

....and that's why I'd go through a set of floorboards every season on my FLHP ; )

Yes, they drag, and they make a HELL of a noise when they do it. But, they fold out of the way and the only thing you really need to worry about is the floorboard *supports* - they'll pick the rear wheel up. But, I was always dragging mufflers before that happened.

The balance and low speed maneuverability is all clutch vs. rear brake - keep the engine spinning so you get the gyro effect, work it against the rear brake to control speed, and keep the front end loose (no braking) for agility. You'll also notice how his torso stays straight - no "hanging off" at low speeds. It's like a 'tabletop' in BMX - toss the bike over between your legs, roll your hips a bit to stay on the seat, but keep your body where it was.

There are times I miss my FLHP....and the looks on people's faces when I ran it through Battletrax.

With competitive times.
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Skinstains
Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

perhaps I mis-spoke, The floor boards are being used as a guage at minimun and for support through the riders feet and legs at most, not as training wheels. The skills are there for sure. I could not do it but am aware of the fact that most of us here could do it with practice. He is only using the clutch, throttle, and brake just like we do every day. As for the competition, take some pics and video for sure I'd like to see them. How about the old motor officer acrobatic stuff you used to see back in the good ol' days. Anyone doing that stuff nowadays ?
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Skinstains
Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I keep forgetting that you tube has everything.
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