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     Wbrisett |
OK, I did it. I changed out the OEM HB topcase with the standard HB Junior 45. I did this because I wanted to be able to fit two full size helmets in the topcase. Original:  New:  With helmets:  Wayne (Thanks Froggy for setting me straight on the images) (Message edited by wbrisett on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Froggy |
Awesome  \ imagelink{http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/3095437907_7d9 7f41b7f.jpg} Just remove the space. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
That's HUGE! ha ha ha! awesome. | ||
| Seanp |
So that's just a plug-n-play swap, right? I like it, except that it looks just a little bit different from the sidecases. What about keying - can you make it so that one key opens all the bags and unlocks them from the bike? | ||
| Court |
I love mine . . . does everything I need and elegantly made. | ||
| Jlpskydive |
How much did it run? Where did you get it? And can it be closed without being locked? Looks good and I think I want one also!! | ||
| Wbrisett |
SeanP, yes. It's a simple plug and play operation. I ordered three new cylinders from Buell, and when those come in, I'll swap out the cylinders and everything will be keyed the same again. The Junior cases (Outdoorsman for Buell's lineup), are made MUCH better than the older cases. The only downside I've found so far is that I have to put down the triple tail to open it up wide enough to get the helmets inside. On the older topcase, I didn't have to do that. I bought the HB bags through A&S cycles. Originally I was going to order the Buell OEM version, but that's only the Junior 40, not Junior 45. The 40 only holds one helmet. The cost was around $260 with TT&L. They happened to have one in stock, so it only took a couple of days to get here. And finally, yes. One of the coolest things about this case and different than the previous topcase is that you can latch it shut without locking it! Wayne (Message edited by wbrisett on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Court |
>>>And can it be closed without being locked? Yes. I **think**. . . I'll have to check again. . . that I can place 2 Arai helmets in but they need to lay on their sides. Stuff is very well built. | ||
| Svh |
My triple tail always has to be down to get the topcase open enough for a helmet. Wish it didn't have to be. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I cheated on my bike, and disabled the triple tail annoyance lock/latch/thingy Took off the left handrail (the one you put the key in), carefully so no pieces went flying, and with needlenose pliers removed the plastic "lock" from inside the handrail (the key hits this piece when you stick it in). Then I cut the flat end (where the key hits) off of the curved side, and reinstalled the flat end to keep water out (dab of RTV with it, just to be safe) and give the spring something to sit on. Now, I drop the little C-clip on the outside when I want to move the tail, and just slide it to the left, and adjust up or down. It still latches into place, just like always...just don't need a key to do it anymore. <aaahhhh> I like the bigger case, it looks great on there. If you want to dress it in "Buell", I can find the PN for the Buell medallion and you can stick one on (it is serviced seperately) Court - is the Buell-branded case the 40L, or the 45? The 2 look completely different in pics on the HB website - and only the 45 looks like the Buell case. Just wondering if we got a smaller one, or if it's a typo in the Buell lit... | ||
| Froggy |
Everything I have read says the Outdoorsman topcase is 45L. H&B make a 50L Journey case that matches the the old style bags | ||
| Ratbuell |
Reading the parts breakout for the LEO-Uly, it calls it a 40L (and that's the only doc I've seen with an indvidual PN breakout...yet). | ||
| Wbrisett |
Reading the parts breakout for the LEO-Uly, it calls it a 40L It was that description that scared me away from ordering it from Buell. The parts breakout calls it the 40L, I've yet found anybody with one, so I can only go by what the parts list says. However the description of the Outdoorsman cases from Buell read: "The top case will fit your pup tent and sleeping bag, or two full face helmets. " HB claims the 40L will only hold one helmet. As mentioned earlier, the photos of the 40L and what Buell has look different too. I'm very perplexed by this. Maybe Court can help us sort it out. On the plus side, A&S did have the topcase in stock and was $70 less expensive than the Buell OEM version (of course I still have to put in the new cylinders at $7 each). Wayne | ||
| Court |
My side cases are "Junior 30" and my top case is a Junior 45. Here are some photos I shot the day the bags arrived. If memory serves . . . (iffy) . . . I had to lay the helmets on their side to close the top case. I don't recall if the two worked or not. I'll try to uncover the bike in the next couple days (wish I could today, it's 62oF this morning) and find out. These bags are REALLY well built and super easy to use. Although more capacity may seem better I am finding the top case to be perfect for what I do. If I were going for a month it would be easy to add luggage on the rear of the seat. The bags offer good security, are tight as a drum and look good. The 30L side cases aren't huge but that have plenty of usable room for what I do and can easily accommodate my school needs . . . laptop and bag in one side and a 2" 3-ring binder (just fits with my notebook and textbooks) in the other. The is the best that Buell has done, I am thrilled, In addition, we've had a couple recent dealing with Hepco-Becker and they are proving good to work with. As a couple Badweb members know (and have been sworn to secrecy) they have come through with some parts that have previously been "unavailable" and I've had a couple Badwebbers "testing" and the guys in R&D are currently developing and documenting some procedures. I remain amazed at how darn committed the folks at Buell are . . . I keep getting these "what can we do to make sure we're meeting the needs . . . ?" stuff. I like that.  As you can see . . . this is really good looking stuff. I like the monochromatic look. I'm not a big fan of panels, chrome and stuff on the panels. Nothing here to hold dirt and they handle scuffing and normal wear and tear well . . .just kind of a real functional look.  I **think** (and will check as soon as I can) that I can put one helmet in but had to lay the two helmets on their side to close the top case.  | ||
| Wbrisett |
Thanks Court! That's definitely the Junior 45 topcase. I wonder why it's listed as 40L in the parts description. By the way, you should be able to close the lid without any problems with the two helmets in the upright position. I tested that out yesterday, and it worked perfectly. As far as putting stuff in it, yesterday I was able to place my daughter's entire backpack (complete with wheels and books) in it, and close the lid without any issues. These are the topcases that should be on ALL Ulysses. For those of you wanting to add one to your bike, you can order them from Buell using M0926A.1AU as the part number. Wayne (Message edited by wbrisett on December 10, 2008) | ||
| Court |
I wanted to take a picture of it with a midget in it but Buell got all PC on me . . . . . | ||
| Seanp |
Little person. They're called little people nowadays...  I like the all-black of that topcase a lot more than the one that came on my Uly. I only wish the sidecases were bigger, and I'd buy the whole shebang. Unfortunately, right now my Aerostich folds up and fits in the sidecase perfectly, and my helmet in the topcase, so when I go somewhere I can lock all my gear up. I don't think I could fit it all in the small sidecases and large topcase... | ||
| Wbrisett |
Sean: The part number I gave is just for the topcase. You can keep the existing panniers on and just replace the topcase if you want using that part number. Wayne | ||
| Court |
My full Aerostich Roadcrafter takes a lot of room in the case. When I go to school . . . say this afternoon . . the drill is full bike cover in the top case. When I arrive I park on Amsterdam in front of the Law School under the covered bridge, take the cover out, chain the bike to one of the MRU (Motorcycle Retention Units) and cover the bike (prevents towing in NYC . . . sometimes). Then the books come out of the right side case and the Aerostich goes in the top case and pretty well fills the thing. I'm running hard armor and full back protection so it compromises the "foldability". Helmet either travels with me (preferred) or get left on the bike. Note here that I have long been a pundit of leaving the helmet on the bike. The ONLY reason I do it here is that the bike is covered by the bridge and the cover I am using fully conceals the helmet. The only downside, and I'll work it out, is that I'd like to be able to get the Aerostich in a side case. I **think** I could with my one-piece Roadcrafter. The cool part is that these are REALLY well made bags. | ||
| Ratbuell |
As you can see . . . this is really good looking stuff. I like the monochromatic look. I'm not a big fan of panels, chrome and stuff on the panels. Nothing here to hold dirt and they handle scuffing and normal wear and tear well . . .just kind of a real functional look. That's what I like best about them. I'm not a big fan of the "Jetsons" look on the old-style case. Painting the silver panels orange to match my bike helped...some. But I love the textured, all-black look. Since I run topcase-only most times, I'm seriously considering a 45L.... I only wish the sidecases were bigger, and I'd buy the whole shebang. Nice thing about the new setup, I think individual part numbers are out there. If you (like me) already have the old style cases, you only need to change the side brackets to install the new cases. And, multiple sizes from HB fit the Outdoorsman side racks - they aren't "backwards" like the original cases were. Piece together a kit, with the sizes you want... The parts breakout calls it the 40L, I've yet found anybody with one, so I can only go by what the parts list says. ..... I'm very perplexed by this. Seems to be just a typo. Lord knows they've happened before... I still need to get hands on one ordered *from that sheet* to verify, before I will say it's definitely a typo. Now, to convince work that we need (according to the Demo Fleet rules) to outfit the XP with the response kit so we can put it in-fleet....$2600 is spendy, though, it's gonna be a battle. FWIW, the XP ships - bone stock - with the top case frame only, no top case (part of response kit, apparently). Also, handguards are missing (again, response kit - they have LEDs on 'em). | ||
| Court |
>>>Since I run topcase-only most times, CAUTION: If you do that, be certain to have the side case brackets installed, they are critical to the integrity of the system. You can run without the sidecases, not without the brackets. | ||
| Seanp |
I was looking at the Hepco & Becker site at all the options there, and there are a lot! They make a point of talking about how the panels on the bags are replaceable, so I may look into that. If I replaced the silver/gray on the sidecases with black, then that nice big topcase would match. That would be the best of both worlds - big sidecases and a big topcase. | ||
| Carbonsteel |
WOW! That thing is enormous. Are you sure it's not made by Samsonite? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Court - I have all three bags, and brackets for them are all installed. I just usually run with topcase only installed on the brackets, for fuel efficiency (about a 3mpg difference, I've noted)....and because I usually don't need to carry *that* much stuff. Trying to figure out how to fab something like a crash bar, that goes on the sidecase brackets in place of a bag....wish I could weld, lol. | ||
| Sachmo |
This is the case I'm thinking of adding to my CityX, it has the 40L Jr Flashers sidecases but I cannot find clear instruction on what additional bracket I need. I can handle bolting on things (bearly) but I don't have the skill to modify things. I would also rather just have the topcase on all the time and only attach the side cases for trips. | ||
| Midnightrider |
Gents Thought I'd chime in. I've got an 06 with the original bags. Funny (kinda cool, actually) how we're different. I usually run the side bags on all the time and only add the top box when I need it. Couple of reasons - first, if it's going to be one or the other, I like the way the bike looks better with the side bags on and the top case off. Second, when I get on I throw my leg way over the triple tail. The older I get and the more gear I've got on (full leathers with the heated pant liners) the harder it gets to get that leg over the top case without banging my boot off it. I do use the top case when I take it to work 'cuz usually I stop on the way and get some sort of meal (salad bar, chinese take-out) that travels a lot better when it can sit flat. Another reason I prefer to run the side cases all the time is that I've found out from experience that the side cases make excellent sliders in the event of a low-side. I do prefer the all-black look - which is why I rattle canned the panels black http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/402423.html | ||
| Portero72 |
Midnight- That black goes to 11.  | ||
| Seanp |
Midnight - you just used regular spray paint? Hmm. I like the all-black look. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I've run without the side brackets in place for years with just the top case. Never had an issue. Of course, I don't use the top case much, and when I do, it's not loaded down with much. I'm a lightweight packer if at all possible. Don't take anything unless I KNOW I will use it (except my tire repair kit under the seat and a first aid kit). | ||
| Midnightrider |
Seanp I bought two cans that day - one of Krylon and one Rustoleum brand heavy duty enamel. I did some tests on an old damaged panel and couldn't tell any difference. I think, but I'm not sure, that in the end I used the Rustoleum Heavy Duty Enamel If I can catch a warm day I'm going to hit the panels with a couple more coats then apply a few coats of a Rustoleum Clear Coat |
