| Author | Message | ||
     Jlnance |
Kristi - I have both a front and rear, used, in my garage. They are both in pretty decent shape, I changed them before my trip to MN, but they weren't worn out. | ||
| Ulywife |
I have both a front and rear, used, in my garage. tires or bearings? | ||
| Webethumpin |
Ok,it started as a Harley Davidson parts dept.Now Bad-web is taking over the Buell Parts. B-POH not Buell parts on order. B-POH  Whats next, Bad-Web has a sales team too.What are the dealers doing? Ordering parts for Buell Parts Central On Bad-Web. Great Idea Jim.You are the Man. Its got to be in the chrome. Later, Webe | ||
| Ulywife |
I added to the title. Let's see if there is more discussion/interest in this little set-up. | ||
| Jlnance |
tires or bearings? Both actually, but you don't want my used bearings.  | ||
| Ulywife |
I figured you meant tires, but wanted to make sure. | ||
| 08uly |
Ulywife, What if we did this in a distributed fashion? Have each member responsible for a particular part or group of parts (could even have redundant "part holders") that would be overnighted directly to the needy rider? That would save on shipping and possibly be less of an inventory headache. Also, this might be more efficient since you'd have the parts distributed to some extent. The person responsible for a particular part might be closer to the needy rider. People could volunteer to ante-up parts for membership, and you could have multiples for more needed parts. Just tossing ideas out... --- 08Uly Uly Data Page  | ||
| Pso |
Whatever is decided most definatly count me in. I will happily pay a fee and it sounds like there should be some sort of compensation to whomever takes the time, space, and effort to do this great thing for the rest of us. If I were in marketing, I would talk with Mr. Buell about this idea of an 800 # and emergency shipping, talk about a system as good or better than roadstar for marketing in this time and age. I can see the ads now overnight shipping to Alaska for a broken belt. Sure pushes the envelope for an adventure touring bike concept and would leave BMW and the others in the dirt. Sounds like some great ideas, and the simplicity of repair of the Buell's makes motel parking lot repairs doable. Also Ulywife, the spread sheet seems very comprehensive, I carry lots of that stuff (spare VR, clutch cable, drive belt, tools, etc) in my side bag at the expense of items that could make the trip more creature comfortable. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Soooooo, a question or two. It should be decided up front with the parts back orders and all. Does a person have to buy in for membership before needing a part? In other words a Non BEER member is in need of a part does he get access with out participating in the initial buy in???? I think the BEER stock part should be sold for the new replacement part cost. | ||
| Prowler |
Based on my experience ordering a spare drive belt (ordered it end of June from Chicago H-D, backordered....still haven't received it), I think this is a great idea. I'd also be willing to buy/hold some parts (belt, voltage regulator, bearings, clutch cable, etc.) for available shipment overnight, if a network of "parts holders" is started. I feel I need to have this stuff regardless, so having the parts available for other members of this site is a no-brainer. Count me in either way (donating money for parts or being a parts holder). Too bad there are no dealers willing to do this. You'd think that this would be a huge "atta-boy" for a dealer willing to take up the cause. | ||
| Jlnance |
Does a person have to buy in for membership before needing a part? I guess it depends on how far this goes. If someone needs my used tires, they can just have them. On the other hand, if we actually start buying parts, it gets more complex. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Does a person who desires BEER membership need to be a badweb regular? Or is this effort going to be the spare parts warehouse for the entire buell community. Still deciding if I would like to contribute. I have a fairly large personal inventory. But you never know what else your gonna need. | ||
| Jphish |
1) Lets keep it simple. 2) From my observation Uly riders help out others when they can...even if they dont join the 'club'. The point of the 'user fee' is merely to provide capital to procure parts and distribute the economic load, coupled with a cost reimbursement for what you use out of the parts pool. Kinda like insurance pooling of risk - ya buy it... but hope ya dont need it. I will contribute with that in mind, while still hauling around a spare belt, bearings etc. I believe the concept of this is primarily for those unforseen calamities of adventure travel, not the ones you can reasonably expect. I don't think we want to impose on Ulywife (or others) as our parts bin - It's an emergency system for the stranded traveler. The system only works on trust and responsibility. Just my 2c. | ||
| Ulywife |
I agree whole heartedly that before anything is purchased or donated, that parameters have to be set. Who is eligible to use the BEER supply? Can you buy into it at the time of need or do you have to be a member first? What entails "membership"? Once parts have been purchased/donated by original members, what will it cost new members to join? Will there be a annual fee to continue your BEER membership? What parts are we going to try and keep on hand? What constitutes "emergency"? How will the BEER supply be replenished? How much time is someone given to replace parts or repay the BEER supply? If abused, what will we do? Accountability for part holder(s). | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Sounds like a person needs to buy a Share in the BEER. The parts inventory cost $$$$$ divide that by the number of people who desire membership and that is the cost of membership. Emergency is emergency not I am to lazy to go to the dealer an buy it.....What about the current back order problems???? If there is enough interest we could have regional BEERS. | ||
| Rkc00 |
I am in when this gets sorted out. Mike Long Island, NY 06 XB12X Black/Red | ||
| Ulywife |
If we do regional, do we want some parts (bearings for example) duplicated or something like this: Part Holder A - bearings, wheels, belt Part Holder B - brake lever, brake pedal, clutch cable, clutch lever, clutch cable wireform Part Holder C - fan, stator, VR What about the current back order problems???? I'm not sure what we can do about backorder problems. Will this be a case of, order two and when number one goes to a rider in need, we go ahead and order a replacement part? Hopefully this would keep us supplied and not defeat the purpose of the BEER supply. Again, we would have to determine not only what parts to order, but how many do we want to reasonably keep on hand. We don't want to be overstocked, so finding the fine line might take a little more conversation. We also really need to iron out the re-stocking process. I agree that it will have to be at current prices, plus shipping, etc. | ||
| Court |
Funny . ..but you could buy every imaginable spare for less than $1,000. I'm not . . . . but were I a dealer . . . I'd be all over this. I'd get the parts, I'd put the protocol in place. If I were still at Buell, I'd take it one step further. I always wanted to do a "wall of bins" with each bin having 2 of each and every part on the motorcycle. Each part would be "shippable within an hour". I'd make the system so that my customer had available a level of service never approached by anyone in the industry. The I'd package in in such a way as to make it a great and visible marketing tool to my dealers and customers. Each order would require a VIN and owners name to avoid dealers using this in lieu of inventory. I have the entire system thought out. By the way . . . I'd sell it as a bennie of B.R.A.G. membership at the "Pegasus" level. That, by the way, would also include access to the most up-to-date copy of the service and parts manual for your particular bike. I am bothered, currently, by folks buying manuals that there is no system for updating as parts/procedures evolve. The constantly updated manuals exist in .pdf format but are guarded like the crown jewels. | ||
| Prowler |
Court's idea is great, and after reading his post a third time, I understand that this idea still would run thru the dealer network, which would hopefully keep them happy and the consumer also. Currently, the dealers obviously don't understand that some people actually ride their motorcycles as daily transportation (read into that what you will) and when our bikes need parts, they REALLY need parts. If Buell was on the ball they'd put something like Court's program into place and let the dealers know that "indeed" the customer comes first, not the middle man. Court, you should give this idea a push with Buell Co. It is certainly worth consideration to anyone who rides a motorcycle not to mention a huge marketing plus for Buell. (Message edited by prowler on August 26, 2008) | ||
| Crusty |
Currently, the dealers obviously don't understand that some people actually ride their motorcycles as daily transportation Truer words were never spoken. | ||
| Jphish |
Good ideas and relevant questions. The following are just some of the possibilities on how to organize around the end result we're all hoping for. I like Courts idea, but not optimistic that Buell, or a consortium of dealers, will step up. I've already had one 3 week ride to the Yukon & Alaska cut short by 10 days due to parts system failure and a "gee thats too bad" response from the BH/D network. So... On membership in BEER: its a one time fee sufficient to cover initial parts costs and postage, with both reimbursed upon the riders return home. Everybody won't likely join at once, so as new members join & revenue increases we can add to the list of parts or regionalize as appropriate. I'd suggest we start small and in 1 place. As things evolve we can make adjustments to the 'business' model. I would not deny a Bueller in need based solely on membership - but that should be a group decision. I still will carry my own stash of belt, bearings etc. as part of my self reliance philosophy. The parts list: We go with the most critical first based on the experience of Uly riders. If everyone working this issue would send in their top 10 "critical - cant continue with out them" parts, that would be a start. Then we can get to the question of the more arcane items that aren't universal to all model years. ECM's ? For my top 10 I wouldnt include a belt or bearings, since I carry those. But respect that not everyone does, so make those the first 2. 3)Shock 4) wheel rear 5) wheel front 6) VR 7) throttle cable 8)brake line 9) clutch cable 10) fuel pump. Also nice to have would be copies of the pages from the factory manual for removal / installation of the offending part with the shipment. Or else we'd need a 'non authorized' side car just to carry the damn book. Not sure if 1 copy would do it or if we need all 3 model years - those should be purchased with the BEER items as part of the inventory. Other ideas ?? | ||
| Petereid |
I'm interested and have a few thoughts.... Abuse is bound to happen. It's a sorry fact of life. The odd person will get a part and either never replace it or take weeks or months to finally get around too it. Perhaps if someone needed a part they could order it from Ulywife's "local or prefered" dealer with their credit card. She can ship the "emergency" part out and replace it with the one that arrives at the dealer. Then all thats left is to paypal or send a check for shipping. Maybe have a surcharge to help fund new parts and cover any losses. If I was stuck I wouldn't complain about an extra 10 or 20% on top of the bill. Pete | ||
| Webethumpin |
Looks like Buellers are taking over the responsibilities that the dealers that are being blinded by all the chrome that is around them.(I still Like Harley Chrome too) Yes, Buell could use this as a never before seen (after the factory) Buell parts support network.Vin numbers and owning a Buell should be enough qualification to be able get parts from this source. If you have not bought in maybe POD Pay on delivery system or nearest Bad-Weber to deliver and pay.I don't know I'm not good at sorting this kind of stuff,but hey Webe is in on the Idea and I would volunteer to run parts and offer assistance in order to keep a fellow Bueller on the road and happy. Imagine during the sale of a Buell Salesman says,And by the way you you have access to BEER/Bad-WeatherBikers your first year is no charge, $50 fee a year.This fee will be deducted from the current sale price of the part(after Bad-Web discount) and or cover shipping. Now what to do after use of the BEER network the first time,pay another $50 fee after each use? I'm not good at this stuff,just suggesting. Later Webe,my 2c  | ||
| Webethumpin |
Some guys might buy a Buell to get access to the BEER.   | ||
| Jphish |
For the abusers: First contact is polite and personal. After that...it gets broadcast on BWB. Thats the only downside of nonmembers of BEER having access to the "stash" - But I'd still rather trust 'em and not leave a good person stranded. 95% of Uly'ers would bust their butt to get the check out and the parts back in the BEER bin. We accept the 5% loss I guess. They would have to be members of BWB however, or else we got no way of sending 'Larry the leg breaker' to the right address. | ||
| Jphish |
Also for non BEER members there should be a $50 or $100 surcharge for rescue parts. "Pay me a little now... or pay me alot more later" sort of approach. All goes into the fund. | ||
| Ulywife |
This will not be a business or a money making endeavor. This will simply be a collective purchase where the parts are being held in one place. The only money in holding will be used for shipping to a Bueller in need. This actual shipping expense will need to be reimbursed back to the BEER fund to be on hand for the next Bueller in need. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
Wouldn't it be nice if the dealerships would keep parts in stock? Until then, count me in. I'm in Oregon and willing to help make this happen in whatever way is needed. I have space for spares, some money and am a responsible type. Hell, I'm thinking about beginning to stock up now! Let's keep in mind that to make profit from this is probably not legal nor desirable. | ||
| Tootal |
The main complaint is lack of parts at the dealer but in many states dealers must pay inventory taxes. I remember walking into a HD dealer in New York state and the walls were covered in parts. I asked if New York had an inventory tax and the reply was, "What's that?" If a dealer were asked to do this they would need to be in one of these states. Here's to BEER! | ||
| Arkaybee |
As Panhead_dan,I'm in, too. Am in the San Francisco Bay Area, have some space and financial resources and plan on keeping this '06 baby for many years. Am told I am responsible to a fault and appreciate the opportunity to give back to this community from which I have and will continue to learn so much. |
